MSE News: Prime Minister David Cameron plans welfare crackdown

mynameistallulah

* Wondering why this thread is on the Benefits board, as several near identical ones were moved to DT over the weekend ...

CKhalvashi

The problem with the ConDem government as it stands is that DC is taking a far too firm line, whilst causing unnecessary problems for all.

We shouldn't be looking at how to make the poor poorer, we should be looking at closing various loopholes that are currently in place for high earners, whilst getting the long term unemployed back into work. Surely someone paying the additional £500k+ tax on a £1m/year income would pay for 50 people to be on JSA and HB for a year in some parts of the country.

Many of the politicians are out of touch with the modern world, with all three political leaders having been privately educated and possibly never been out of work. I'm a LD Cllr, however I've also been state educated, paid my own way through uni and worked as a teacher until recently.

The other problem is that the MP's we have are being rewarded with my money to be some of the best criminals out there. Take a look at the statistics below:

Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 600 employees and has the following statistics?

29 have been accused of spouse abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad cheques
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3 have done time for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
4 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
84 have been arrested for drink driving in the last year

This is the people that we elect to keep us in line.

CK

BurnleyBob

business_man wrote: »

I guess the only people moaning about the benefit cuts are the benefits scroungers themselves.

It is clear, work shy people never worked even before the recession so they can't blame the lack of jobs.

There's benefits and there's out of work benefits. All welfare payments are benefits, including the State Pension and Tax Credits. We know that recipients of some disability and every Child Benefit claimant are already being squeezed, the latter by inflation due to a three-year freeze.

If you and others remain fixated on 'scroungers' then you'll miss the bigger picture which is the gradual evisceration of Britain's welfare state.

patchwork_cat

business_man wrote: »

I guess the only people moaning about the benefit cuts are the benefits scroungers themselves.

It is clear, work shy people never worked even before the recession so they can't blame the lack of jobs.

Not in this case - only child benefit and it was a long time since I was under 25!

I am, however, compassionate and whilst something needs to be done to encourage people to work this govt doesn't seem to be doing anything to help.

I know lets increase pension age so that people who want to retire can't and don't move on and make room for the young people to gain employment. Also lets make it even worse for these young people and take away housing benefit.

Yes we need to change this relience on benefits, but I am far from convinced this is the way.

Anubis_2

frenchy28 wrote: »

1) why should an 18-24 year old pay the same percentage of tax and not be entitled to all of the benefits.

2) why should someone living in the north east be paying the same percentage of tax and may only receive half of the benefits of someone living in london.

Cameron you dweeb, if you change the benefits people receive you should also change the percentage of tax people pay!! Your conservative party are a bunch of morons!!!

P.S. I have never claimed housing benefit, I have never been out of work but if I was i'd expect the same as what every other tax payer gets because I pay in to the system the same as everyone else who pays in.

Excellent points. As under 25's are penalised with WTC and now HB then they should not have to pay the same.

Dorastar

Have to agree with frenchy28 too - I was married and working at 24 as was dh but didn't have much and if either of us had lost our jobs we would have ended up relying on benefits.

I know there is a need to tighten up on things and there is a huge disincentive to work particularly when you throw childcare into the mix but there are always going to be those who can't just stay at home till they're 25 for many different reasons - and the whole give them less in the North (as well as paying them less for doing identical jobs in public sector) really makes me :mad:

jobdone1

Its very hurtful some of these story's about benifit scroungers now before you start i do not claim housing or council tax benefit so i am speaking from the other side of the argument; i know of family's that choose not to work and they are better off than what me and my wife have left over after we pay our mortgage and council tax however their are many genuine claiments that cannot either earn enough and need a little help but are paying tax and then their are the one's that may have lost their job for whatever reason so i think its very wrong to tar everyone with the same brush just like cameron appears to be doing; just my view

samjef11_2

jobdone1 wrote: »

Its very hurtful some of these story's about benifit scroungers now before you start i do not claim housing or council tax benefit so i am speaking from the other side of the argument; i know of family's that choose not to work and they are better off than what me and my wife have left over after we pay our mortgage and council tax however their are many genuine claiments that cannot either earn enough and need a little help but are paying tax and then their are the one's that may have lost their job for whatever reason so i think its very wrong to tar everyone with the same brush just like cameron appears to be doing; just my view

Well said glad there is still some people that think before calling everyone benefit cheats and have common sence.

[Deleted User]

I don't agree with the plans.

What does age have to do with anything? Surely it's a matter for reasons and circumstances and not a matter of how old or young you are.

I imagine that plenty of older people scrounge and plenty of young people claim for genuine reasons, equally the reverse.

Is there a Facebook page going yet?

The-Gaffer

What a FANTASTIC idea, radical thinking hes gonna loose the youth vote but hey its either that or we keep havin more kids, lettin the immigrants flood in, and build council houses for the kids havin kids culture weve become so fond of, OR we just bankrupt the country OR we all pay even more tax perhaps 2 pound a litre for fuel to fund more kids havin kids weve gotta help anyway we can obviously........................................................

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