What am I supposed to do with this degree thing? Paper hat?

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I'll agree with 3plus1 on this, but it's a point i've mentioned before .. 2:2 + relevant graduate experience = 2.1

lady_fuschia

3plus1 wrote: »

The exception... is if you can prove mitigating circumstances. If there was a genuine reason why you didn't do as well as you could have done, don't consider it whiney, consider it your ticket out of unemployment..! If something awful happened to you, don't mope, exploit it to get you a better job. Every cloud has a silver lining and all that...!

Really? Does that work?

I have to say I'd feel a bit uncomfortable talking about something like that with a potential employer!

studentphil

lady_fuschia wrote: »

Really? Does that work?

I have to say I'd feel a bit uncomfortable talking about something like that with a potential employer!

I think in all fairness people get too hung up on 2.2 or 2.1. In most cases people do not get jobs related to their degrees and so if a company is hiring someone on the basis of some grade in a subject not really related to the position then the firm has a stupid way of recruiting as they are blinded by one irrelevant element.

It seems impossible to say that a student who has AAA grade a levels and a 2:2 and someone with a grade DDE and a 2:1 that the first student is less able than the second.

Blacksheep1979

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Obviously the percentages vary between institutions and courses but in 2001 Hesa showed that 53.2 % of students gained a First or 2:1. This percentage increased to over 68% for those studying for degrees in Humanities. However you manipulate these figures, it's hard to see a 2:2 as an average degree any more.

was that a survey of ex-polys by any chance? I don't think you would find that figure adding up in some unis/courses - also does it take into accout people dropping out?

studentphil wrote: »

I think in all fairness people get too hung up on 2.2 or 2.1. In most cases people do not get jobs related to their degrees and so if a company is hiring someone on the basis of some grade in a subject not really related to the position then the firm has a stupid way of recruiting as they are blinded by one irrelevant element.

Not at all stupid - it shows that the person in question has the ability to apply themselves and learn information/analyse information at an acceptable level to the firm. Someone with a lower grade has not shown the ability to take in an use data/information like others with higher grades. And if its purely down to not working hard enough then the person is lazy/doesn't apply themselves and yet again these are people that companies don't want to employ.

Oldernotwiser

studentphil wrote: »

Maybe my department is very harsh at marking or given that it is very complex subject that students tend to achieve less.

But it still an oxford 2.2 is vastly different compared to course that required EE to get into as the levels of the courses are vastly miles apart.

I absolutely agree with your second point but have to say that the figures I quoted go on to show that 82.3% of Oxford students gained a First or Upper Second.

studentphil

I have seen no where that has 68% 2;1 or higher results.

Most places from what I have seen get about 10% 1sts, 35% 2:1, 35% 2:2, 10 % thirds, 10% pass or no grading due to illness

Oldernotwiser

Blacksheep 1979
This is the article from which I took the figures.

http://education.guardian.co.uk/egweekly/story/0,5500,915850,00.html

studentphil

So can I ask why do universities award pass degrees, 2:2's and thirds if really they are not a pass or an achievement, if they are just for lazy stupid people that no one with no sense can get?

Blacksheep1979

well you've paid your money and you expect to get something. Also if there were only 1st's and 2:i's then 2:i's would be devalued ie it would be a first or not kind of like now if you get a 3rd

Oldernotwiser

Why do people who are semi-literate get a grade C in English and people who can't add up without a calculator get the same grade for Maths? I'll give you a clue, it begins with the letter P (and it's not Philosophy!).