BMA (British Medical Association) taking industrial action

DaddyBear

CLAPTON wrote: »

you clearly have an ambition and attitude to be a politician

as it's any way in the public domain and not personally confidential then but it would be so much easier for everyone if you chose to give the details of your career

I'm an anaesthetic registrar and graduated six years ago. I'm 4 years off being a consultant. Basic pay £36k. Because i do so many added unsocial hours this rises to £54k. Hardly earth-shattering, certainly not the £200k most Daily Mail readers masturbate over and certainly not representative of the level of responsibility.

CLAPTON

thank you

so you're 29 years old and earn 54k per annum

that puts your in the top 5% of all earners (of all ages) in the UK
not too bad for 29;
you will become one of the top 1% of earners and maybe one of the top 0.5% of earners


responsibility is another matter

is your responsibility more than

-that of a pilot
-that of a train driver
-that of the people that organise the food supply to London
-that of people who organise a clean water supply
-than the people that organise a safe sewerage disposal service
-that wire up the electricity of your house
-that provide a safe gas supply

The_pc_tech

Personally I back their action.

Why you ask? Well they make life and death decisions every day, not many people are in that position except for maybe members of the armed forces who also deserve a good pension.

DaddyBear

CLAPTON wrote: »

thank you

so you're 29 years old and earn 54k per annum

that puts your in the top 5% of all earners (of all ages) in the UK
not too bad for 29;
you will become one of the top 1% of earners and maybe one of the top 0.5% of earners


responsibility is another matter

is your responsibility more than

-that of a pilot
-that of a train driver
-that of the people that organise the food supply to London
-that of people who organise a clean water supply
-than the people that organise a safe sewerage dispoal service
-that wire up the electricity of your house
-that provide a safe gas supply

If you're comparing my wages to other jobs then you need to use the basic pay level. The additional I get for unsocial hours is what other jobs would describe as overtime.

As for responsibility, its such a stupid question, but I'd say yes to all except pilot.

CLAPTON

The_pc_tech wrote: »

Personally I back their action.

Why you ask? Well they make life and death decisions every day, not many people are in that position except for maybe members of the armed forces who also deserve a good pension.

every car driver makes life and death decisions everyday; so do train drivers and pilots and so do electricians, gas fitters and many others

DaddyBear

CLAPTON wrote: »

every car driver makes life and death decisions everyday; so do train drivers and pilots and so do electricians, gas fitters and many others

Any car driver making life or death decisions every day needs to have their liscence removed. As for electricians and gas fitters.. Only the really crap ones. As for train drivers.... Maybe but they have 2 options... Stop or go, hardly taxiing.

pm04gn

Andy_L wrote: »

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=553

Starting (FY1) salary £22k + 20-50% in overtime

Consultants £74,504 - £100,446

Salaried GPs £53-81k

That 20-50% overtime is not for every job so there's quite a few drs around on the basic salary. It's varies per job which can change as often as every 3 months.
Bet most of you don't have to suddenly take a forced 50% pay cut every few months.

On the pensions front we want to be paying the same percentage contributions as civil servants. These new proposals mean we pay double to spend all day dealing with various bodily fluids. All we ask for is fairness. Whether it seems gold plated to outsiders is irrelevant.

misskool

pm04gn wrote: »

On the pensions front we want to be paying the same percentage contributions as civil servants. These new proposals mean we pay double to spend all day dealing with various bodily fluids. All we ask for is fairness. Whether it seems gold plated to outsiders is irrelevant.

The thing is, GPs are not civil servants, they are self employed on contracts. But yet, they can have a gold-plated pension based on their association.

Hospital doctors yes. If you find the pension unfair why not ask for their your own pension scheme and invest it yourself? See if you can do better? You can always opt-out.

My generous civil service related pension scheme changed last year (I'm with USS), but I accepted their position without any problem. This is because I have many friends in the private sector who, although they earn more than me, do not have the pension scheme that I have so I accept that my pay at £32k which at 5 years after a PhD, is pretty normal and depressing.

You really can't have it all, even if you are all taught in med school that you are the most important people in society.

CLAPTON

pm04gn wrote: »

That 20-50% overtime is not for every job so there's quite a few drs around on the basic salary. It's varies per job which can change as often as every 3 months.
Bet most of you don't have to suddenly take a forced 50% pay cut every few months.

On the pensions front we want to be paying the same percentage contributions as civil servants. These new proposals mean we pay double to spend all day dealing with various bodily fluids. All we ask for is fairness. Whether it seems gold plated to outsiders is irrelevant.

well half full or half empty


are you really living is such a detached bubble that you don't know that throughout great swathes of british industry and commerce people (on much much lower salaries than you) have had their overtime cut and in many cases their basis pay too


as I'm sure you know civil servants used to pay no pension contributions at all;
the lack of pension contributions was always considered when negotiating their salaries;
it's only in recent years that they have started making contributions equivalent to the increases in other parts of the public sector

doctors have a fantastic remuneration package; just enjoy it

DaddyBear

misskool wrote: »

The thing is, GPs are not civil servants, they are self employed on contracts. But yet, they can have a gold-plated pension based on their association.

Hospital doctors yes. If you find the pension unfair why not ask for their your own pension scheme and invest it yourself? See if you can do better? You can always opt-out.

My generous civil service related pension scheme changed last year (I'm with USS), but I accepted their position without any problem. This is because I have many friends in the private sector who, although they earn more than me, do not have the pension scheme that I have so I accept that my pay at £32k which at 5 years after a PhD, is pretty normal and depressing.

You really can't have it all, even if you are all taught in med school that you are the most important people in society.

Thankyou for revealing your agenda.
Our pension scheme was changed in 2008 which we also accepted without question. I'm not sure you'd be so gracious if the government wanted to change your pension again, making it significantly worse, again.

I'm 6 years post graduation and my basic pay is £36k, so hardly any difference there between your payscale and doctors' payscale. I suppose you've got to give the government credit, with minimal propaganda they've created a society where everyone believes that all doctors eat caviar and drive sports cars. People need to stop fixating on the minority of GPs who earn big bucks. They are the exception and not the rule.