BMA (British Medical Association) taking industrial action

Andy_L

CLAPTON wrote: »

starting salary at 23years is over 30k
virually a job for life
and guaranteed to earn over 100,000
and that for every doctor not just the best

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=553

Starting (FY1) salary £22k + 20-50% in overtime

Consultants £74,504 - £100,446

Salaried GPs £53-81k

Andy_L

smartn wrote: »

as a Doctor you may deserve a little more than the average, but as your pension is funded out of public money you shouldn't expect to be getting several times what other similar public servants are going to be getting (nurses, police, armed forces).

Seeing as how there salary is "several times what other similar public servants are going to be getting " any pension scheme will provide them a pension "several times what other similar public servants are going to be getting "

Andy_L

the_flying_pig wrote: »

UK GPs* are stupidly, stupidly overpaid compared to any sensible benchmark [e.g. how much GPs earn in other countries, how much GPs used to earn in this country, how much is earned by people in comparable UK jobs

Do you have a link for that?

Andy_L

DaddyBear wrote: »

So you think it's fair that doctor's pay 14.5% contributions, the civil service 8.5% and the armed forces fack all? I'm moaning about I equality..... Just like the private sector types bleat about pensions inequality.

Without looking at the relative total employment package it's impossible to tell if its fair or not.
BTW how does the package for military Drs compare to NHS Drs?

Andy_L

The_J wrote: »

I wouldn't bring the armed forces into it. They can only do their job to the age of 40, they are paid very little considering what they do, they spend large chunks of time away from their families taking orders from cowards in Westminster and their pensions aren't even that good. All while being in mortal danger.

wow, 0/6, try again

kabayiri

I'm assuming the government is not embarking on these changes because of some pathological hatred of doctors.

They clearly recognise a need to try and contain the PS pension bill.

So, I repeat my simple question, if the government acquiesce to the demands of doctors who else should pick up the additional tab?

Andy_L

the_flying_pig wrote: »

but if the market says a deloitte partner is worth a half mill a year or whatever then fair enough, fair enough, that's what they get. v wrong to compare publci sector employees with this. compare GPs with top notch government lawyers or whatever.

Should you not compare NHS GPs with (pure) private practice GPs rather than other pubic sector workers in a totally different profession?

the_flying_pig

Andy_L wrote: »

Should you not compare NHS GPs with (pure) private practice GPs rather than other pubic sector workers in a totally different profession?

either comparison would be somewhat flawed but the lawyer comparison much less so IMO.

as i posted earlier on this thread, The Treasury Solicitor, the Head of the Government Legal Service, comprising a total of 1900 Government Lawyers and also... the Queen's Proctor, i.e. the single top government lawyer in the country, earns less than £160k a year.

but the absolute lowest paid magic circle law partner, of whom there are hundreds in the UK, is on about a half mill a year.

so it's standard for public sector 'professionals', even those who get to the very, very, top of their career ladder, to earn vastly less than private sector types who've only risen moderately high.

i think treasury solicitors are a decent comparator for GPs and most other doctors, sure. i'd guess that they have a higher proportion of [say] oxbridge graduates than medicine as a whole, i.e. the calibre of person they hire is at least as high. they do roughly teh same number of years studying & doing grunt work. they work as long or longer hours. i'm not talking about polytechnic-qualified backstreet conveyancing type solicitors, who are ten a penny & quite rightly earn far less than any kind of doctor.

CLAPTON

Andy_L wrote: »

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=553

Starting (FY1) salary £22k + 20-50% in overtime

Consultants £74,504 - £100,446

Salaried GPs £53-81k

for consultants it actually says : 'basic salary'

Consultants can earn a basic salary of between £74,504 and £100,446 per year, dependent on length of service. Local and national clinical excellence awards may be awarded subject to meeting the necessary criteria

so that doesn't really tell us what they actually earn; one can reasonably infer that clinical excellence is routinely awarded.

Similarly I've no idea how many GPs are salaried rather than self employed and what awards etc they are eligible for


which is why I invited our Doctor members to actually tell us their own experience


as far are the starting pay is concerned I know two newly qualified doctors (i.e. out of medical school) and they both started on more than 30k (at age 23)

the_flying_pig

CLAPTON wrote: »

...Similarly I've no idea how many GPs are salaried rather than self employed...

these figures suggest that salaried is a small minority.