Facing dismissal over proof of nationality.

marybelle01

john539 wrote: »

These checks are on prospective employees.

Those employed before 1997 did not to be checked and certainly should not tolerate being checked later that they are British by a clueless jobsworth.

You keep repeating this useless mantra as if that will make it true or even useful. This is a legal requirement. It has nothing at all to do with the employer or some imagined jobsworth. And it also has nothing to do with being British. It about the right to work in the UK, which is a right not solely reserved for the British.

mysk_girl

As an employer (I'm the chair of a preschool committee, so even though it as a voluntary position, I believe that legally I am the employer of our 8 staff), is this the kind of thing I should be asking? I've only taken the job on in the last 6 months and although I've learnt a lot, there is still more to learn! Should have realised really, I have to produce my passport every 2 years in my 'real' job...

Savvy_Sue

Horseunderwater wrote: »

I think a driving license with photo was mentioned and birth cert as other possible proofs. Cheaper option is if I can find his birth cert, which I am not sure where it is at moment. So I am looking at driving license.

A driving licence does nothing to prove your right to work in the UK. You might use it as photo ID to back up other bits, but it's a small part of the equation.

mysk_girl wrote: »

As an employer (I'm the chair of a preschool committee, so even though it as a voluntary position, I believe that legally I am the employer of our 8 staff), is this the kind of thing I should be asking? I've only taken the job on in the last 6 months and although I've learnt a lot, there is still more to learn! Should have realised really, I have to produce my passport every 2 years in my 'real' job...

err, yes, you should! Google Sandy Adirondack and sign up to her Legal Update service, her site is a mine of useful information for voluntary groups, covering best practice in employment and a whole load more ...

Also I'd expect the Pre School Alliance to be a mine of useful info, it may be called something else these days.

Do all your staff have a written statement of their Terms and Conditions? Do you have a Grievance and Disciplinary policy and procedure?

john539

mgdavid wrote: »

fixed that for you...

That doesn't mean British people should be treated as illegal immigrants or as criminals.

john539

marybelle01 wrote: »

You keep repeating this useless mantra as if that will make it true or even useful. This is a legal requirement. It has nothing at all to do with the employer or some imagined jobsworth. And it also has nothing to do with being British. It about the right to work in the UK, which is a right not solely reserved for the British.

Well it is true.

As stated before, it's for prospective employees before they are employed.

Can you imagine the stupidity of it, checking everyone born in Britain is British.

Treating everyone continuously & repeatedly as possibly being an illegal immigrant.

saintjammyswine

john539 wrote: »

Well it is true.

As stated before, it's for prospective employees before they are employed.

Can you imagine the stupidity of it, checking everyone born in Britain is British.

Treating everyone continuously & repeatedly as possibly being an illegal immigrant.

They may not be an illegal immigrant to not have the right to work though. Could be on a student or holiday visa for example.

Debt_Free_Chick

john539 wrote: »

Well it is true.

As stated before, it's for prospective employees before they are employed.

Can you imagine the stupidity of it, checking everyone born in Britain is British.

It applies to anyone who has been employed since 1997, but the law changed in 2008. So employers have to work with three different regimes (pre 97, 97-2008 and post 2008).

Perhaps understandably, many (most?) employers simply check everyone, rather than run the risk of getting it wrong. Some employers can't easily retrieve the date on which employment began, especially if they have to dig back through paper files. Payroll systems don't need to record the date employment began and most either don't demand this data or function if it's left blank.

DVardysShadow

john539 wrote: »

That doesn't mean British people should be treated as illegal immigrants or as criminals.

You have to laugh. As a consequence of the tabloids stirring up UK working people against immigration, this legislation has been introduced. Now UK working people are subjected to quite insulting nationality checks.

MrMuttley

Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate it.

It's unfortunate that I don't have my expired passport.

Don't get me wrong I entirely understand the need to verify and employees right to work in the UK at the point of employment. And if you are here on a temporary working visa then of course they should be checking it's still valid but this isn't the case for me. I dont know where/if I have a naturalisation certificate or similar paperwork. It was after all 37 years ago and I was but a toddler at the time.

InsideInsurance

How is it insulting?