Teacher is lying

edgex

concerned43 wrote: »

The problem Nicki - is that I do not want my DS diagnosed!! All I want is for his anxiety disorder to be treated! and I do not believe his treatment for that condition would change because of a formal diagnosis.
With regards to CAMHS - i have had a reply from the NHS about my official complaint and am now proceeding with a legal claim against them.

how can they possibly offer or do any treatment if they arnt able to diagnose whats wrong?!

treatment always always comes after diagnosis

shegirl

OP,you need to stop getting so het up over labels.They're needed to get the right help and support.

May have missed it somewhere,but how old is he?

Also,medication should be a last resort really!Get the right diagnosis and work with it,work on coping techniques,finding out what is causing the anxiety and then see what is needed.

edgex

concerned43 wrote: »

PS - I don't want my son formally diagnosed with ASD/Aspergers as I believe it will have a detrimental effect on him! and although I did not say anything to CAMHS, I already knew my son had some form of Autism as he was assessed for it at 4 years old!

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if he has an ASD then he needs a proper diagnosis, so that he can be helped.
its also so that he himself can understand & deal with any issues he has, & so that the parents can understand & help.

concerned43 wrote: »

What? have you read the whole post - I do not refuse to accept it - I simply do not want my child labelled with it! and the point I was making is that CAMHS said he did not have ASD - which shows how much they know!

you are refusing to accept it
what the hell is YOUR problem with him being properly diagnosed & offered appropriate support?


everyone is labelled in some way, its best if those labels are accurate & relevant


so YOU have a choice;

either be a proper parent & get him diagnosed (& labelled) accurately, so that he can access appropriate support

or be a bad parent by imposing your irrational fears of a label onto him, & then holding him back in life

jo_h_4

I rarely if ever post on forums but feel that I had to, after reading this thread.

Although you may not want to, just for one moment try and see the situation from the teachers point of view. Like someone else said earlier in the thread, teachers etc generally have a pretty good idea if a child needs help/support and if they think they need to access support/extra resources they also have a pretty good idea of what an eventual diagnosis would be.

I know that you don't want your child to be labelled or diagnosed and believe me, I can understand that, however like I said earlier, try and see it from the teachers point of view. They probably have a pretty good idea that your son has some form of ASD, and will also have a pretty good idea of what support/ access to extra resources they could provide to help your son. However, without a formal diagnosis, their hands are pretty much tied. They simply won't have the time to be able to support your son in the way that he needs.

There may be a classroom assistant in the class who could help, but again if they are there to help another child/children they won't have the time to help him either.

i do have some experience of your situation, but from a teaching assistants point of view. I was a ta for many years working with children with ASD and other diagnoses. I believe that your son probably needs one to one support to help him cope throughout the school day. A formal diagnosis would be invaluable because with a statement he would be able to access this kind of support and help. What you have to remember is your child will only realistically have one shot to sink or swim whilst at school. At the moment it sounds as though he is sinking and his problems and anxieties will only get worse.

Some ways a ta could help would be by clearly setting out what is going to happen during the day, for example, by means of a board with a list of the days activities and the times that they are going to happen. This is just a quick example, there are loads of other ways they could help.

What worries me is that your son is anxious. At the moment, he has no real concept of what is happening during the day, things and lessons chop and change quickly etc, and it sounds as though he is really struggling to deal with this. A ta will help these anxieties, and help him to understand what is happening, why and when.

Whilst I feel there are times when you must talk to your son and ask what is happening at school, part of me feels that he may be picking up on some of your anxieties and fears and is anxious about these as well. I am not saying don't talk to him about school, but there are ways and means that you could do it, gently and carefully.

I truly do wish you and your son the best of luck with whatever path you decide to take, but in order to help himbecome the person he deserves to be, I really feel that you need to be seeking some additional support and help for him.

Peanuckle

The only label this poor child is likely to end up with one which refers to his mother rather than his needs

haycorns

I have just stumbled across this thread. My son was diagnosed with ASD/Aspergers last year age 17. He was refered to CAMHS at 7 and again at 14 when he school had excluded him so many time for ' anger management issues' neither time produced a diagnosis as they did not have appropriate staff in place to assess him.

Two schools later and overwhelmed by anxiety which made him lash out in situations stressful to him, he slipped into depression and self harm. Another referral to CAMHS and a wait for the right kind of professional to assess him ( just a questionnaire to complete) resulted in a clear diagnosis.

The difference that diagnosis has made to him is HUGE. He now understands he is not naught, has mental health problems or an anger management issue. He just has autism and now he understands why things are harder for him. We , his youth club anmd the sixth form college can now identify what adjustments make life easier for him. After trying risperidone which helped a bit he is now on Fluoxetine ( like Prozac). The difference in him is amazing. he's picked up at college , repeated the year he dropped out of due to the depression and self harm.

We have been able to claim DLA for him ( which actually you can do without a diagnosis - but the CAMHS letters help) , which pays for him to run a car so he can aviod the anxiety of the train.

He has just been assessed by adult soical care who agree he needs significant support and will have a personal assistant to help him socailise at weekends / school holidays and to act as a mentor.

With a formal diagnosis he will get additional support and special adjustments at university.

My advice having been there, is find a school you can work with. When he was excluded from 'one of the best' to one in special measures they were actually fantastic with him and recognised he was 'different' and didn't constantly tell him you are clever enough to know you shouldn't behave like that ( when he hated himself for it already).

A diagnosis has really helped him accept his limitations, find how to work round things and access appropriate help. For the first time in 10+ years things are going well for him and he no longer hates himself. if a diagnosis won't help your son in him curent school, I think he is in the wrong school.

Zziggi

I have to say, I do have a lot of sympathy for the OPs position. You take your child to be assessed at CAMHS and only afterwards- once its all gone wrong- do you find out that despite it being NHS CAMHS, you were actually seen and assessed by a glorified social worker. Happened to us too. We also only found out afterwards. If we had know DD was only being assessed by a social worker then I would have insisted on seeing a suitably qualified person.

Im afraid the incident left a bad taste in my mouth and now I always ask who the person is that any member of my family is seeing. Obviously now though I'm seen as "difficult" and mistrustful of doctors. Hell yes!! But completely justified given the experience!!!

poet123

Zziggi wrote: »

I have to say, I do have a lot of sympathy for the OPs position. You take your child to be assessed at CAMHS and only afterwards- once its all gone wrong- do you find out that despite it being NHS CAMHS, you were actually seen and assessed by a glorified social worker. Happened to us too. We also only found out afterwards. If we had know DD was only being assessed by a social worker then I would have insisted on seeing a suitably qualified person.

Im afraid the incident left a bad taste in my mouth and now I always ask who the person is that any member of my family is seeing. Obviously now though I'm seen as "difficult" and mistrustful of doctors. Hell yes!! But completely justified given the experience!!!

Even one who is suitably qualified to make those assessments?

It often falls within the remit of those who are (also) qualified in other fields to make those initial assessments using tried and tested methods.

Many social workers, teachers and other educational professional have undertaken additional accredited training for the above. Short of asking to see their certs you would not know that.

If they are working under the CAHMS umbrella they will be suitably qualified. If you only want to be seen by a doctor then clearly that will not suit. Your preference and opinion doesn't mean that they are not qualified to make the diagnosis.