I'm beginning to feel paranoid .......

thorsoak

wapow wrote: »

The young moan about the past and how they had it good.
Its just typical isnt it? The young dont wanna work or do anything useful. Just moan moan moan.

The old do the same!!! Albeit a little of the opposite but most of it is the same!

Youre all the bloody same!

Now then OP - Youre an old dog that is not going to learn new tricks. Just live your life to the full because there arent may years left! The world is ending in a few months!

If the world ends in a few months - at least I will have ENJOYED myself and not wasted time on feeling bitter about what others have or have not got!!!

You have youth on your side - I've had it - and I certainly enjoyed it!

And as for learning new tricks ...not done badly, starting a new career at 67 ....perhaps I should suggest that some of you young pups might learn some old tricks :cool:

thorsoak

londonsurrey wrote: »

Find the enclaves of decent people. One group I've joined is a mixed demographic, but all really accepting. When I did a bellydancing demo, they all joined in, even the ones with arthritis!

And give off more "don't mess with me" vibes. The bullies of this world are sensitive to easy targets.

For a start, if you feel really compelled to get a motability scooter and do yourself in, don't drive it off a cliff. Think of the beauty spot you would have sullied.

Instead, picture how much more satisfying and efficient it would be to drive it at speed, yelling out "Yeehaaa!" into that crowd of smug crowd of cowardly hecklers.

Oh yes ....really fancy that ...but perhaps would be far more effective with a Harley D !!!:rotfl:

FatVonD

Thorsoak, I had no idea from your posts that you were so *ahem* advanced of years (I think I got away with it ), you must have a very young outlook!

HeatherintheHills

I know where you are coming from Thorsoak.

I'm pushing 60 and I read those threads and think, hell! They already put my retirement age up from 60 to 67, *young* bankers have annihilated my personal pensions to the point of them being worthless, next thing they will be telling me at 70 that I've had my lot, of I have to go so what I have scraped together can be handed over to the young'uns.

And the bit that really, really grieves me is that we go through life being ourselves, then one day some rude young horror in the street takes it upon themselves to point out that we are too old to be allowed. I am not old! I am simply ripening

thorsoak

FatVonD wrote: »

Thorsoak, I had no idea from your posts that you were so *ahem* advanced of years (I think I got away with it ), you must have a very young outlook!

That's it!! I'm not the only one of my age that has a "young" outlook - having worked in thrusting City firms with the young eagles :cool: one has to keep a young outlook or accept being put out to grass! There are loads of us out there!

As for those who whinge about us being lucky enough to retire early - do you really think that is what we want? Our pensions got watered down enough in the late 90s/early noughties - and I'm not the only one who's back at work - and thoroughly enjoying it!

What I've been trying to say is DON'T BLAME US ALL - and stop the bullying/blaming "somebody else". Don't forget - we are all somebody!

duchy

I think you are all ageist ! :j

I was at a reunion a while ago -some of the people there were the same in outlook as they were as teenagers -some were already old before their time moaning about everything (and none were anywhere near retirement age). Age really is just a number and a state of mind !

I do think the OP is a little thin skinned though -the Rude Old People thread was mostly specific incidences -no-one said ALL pensioners are the same

FATBALLZ

Lol, a thread started to (partly) moan about me, there's a landmark.:)

Maybe you feel paranoid, but it's nothing compared to the treatment my generation gets - I'm fed up of (for example), being told by older people on these forums that the reason my generation has to pay double to triple what previous ones did for a house is because we don't work hard enough (non sequitur much). There are a swarm of older posters with a sense of entitlement who delight in putting down the young of today so my signature is simply a cold hard dose of facts to shed a bit of reality on the situation.

My generation won't get to retire until they're in their 70s, can't afford housing, have crap pensions (if any at all), get charged £50k for a useable education, yet any suggestion that the government try to sort this out is met with an implict response that old people, with their £100ks of unearned property wealth are more important and winter fuel allowance for wealthy pensioners should take priority because they have 'paid their way'.

The fact is many of these people have retired at 60, even earlier, and think that working 40 years will have contributed enough to pay 30 years of state pension, 30 years of other OAP freebies and 85 years of public services. This has no basis in reality, and in fact a typical boomer will take out approx 118% more from the system than they put into it over their lifetime.

If my signature means even one old person has a rethink, and realises "you know what, I was able to buy a house and raise a family with one wage, got a solid occupational pension, can enjoy a few decades at the end of my life without working and in relative comfort, maybe I haven't had such a bad deal", then that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. It's actually more my own small attempt at raising awareness of how bad a deal my generation is looking at - don't expect this to go away, as we get more political power politicians will have to start listening.

sassyblue

FATBALLZ wrote: »

My generation won't get to retire until they're in their 70s, can't afford housing, have crap pensions (if any at all)

don't expect this to go away, as we get more political power politicians will have to start listening.

Could any generation easily afford housing? When my parents bought their first property it was £300- sounds like a pittance but it's all relative, their mortgage payments were a third of their income, same as today for many. And private pensions are a new thing, years ago you paid into the stat expecting them to look after you, its only been in the last few decades when they've been pushed as a better option, and they were when interest rates were a lot higher.....

As for the second part, don't expect politicians to start listening very soon, they turn deaf as soon as they get in office :rotfl:

FATBALLZ

Welshwoofs wrote: »

To those who bemoan the easy ride of the baby boomers, I can't help but wonder if they'll selflessly refuse the inheritance of their baby boomer parents/grand-parents houses when that time comes around. Methinks not somehow

Yes and this would be another of the ridiculous nonsenses that consistently gets unwarranted airtime (and 'thanks') on these forums.

Apparently, if you stand to inherit, then you cannot complain about the modern feudal system of wealth and status based on hereditary lines, because you are a hypocrite.

And apparently, if you don't stand to inherit, you cannot complain about the modern feudal system of wealth and status based on hereditary lines,because you are just jealous.

Lol.

FATBALLZ

sassyblue wrote: »

Could any generation easily afford housing? When my parents bought their first property it was £300- sounds like a pittance but it's all relative, their mortgage payments were a third of their income, same as today for many. And private pensions are a new thing, years ago you paid into the stat expecting them to look after you, its only been in the last few decades when they've been pushed as a better option, and they were when interest rates were a lot higher.....

As for the second part, don't expect politicians to start listening very soon, they turn deaf as soon as they get in office :rotfl:

Well 'easily' is possibly a misleading term, the 'easiest' time to buy was the mid 90s, so not so much the boomers. 1988/89 was a hard time to buy, although people always forget MIRAS, which made things a lot easier than the headline figures suggest. In general though, house prices in real terms are much higher now (multiples higher) than they were at any time before the year 2000 (including 1989).

If somebody can explain to me how it wasn't significantly easier for the person who bought my house for the modern equivalent of £42k back in 1972, a full £100k+ less than I did last year, bearing in mind MIRAS, etc, then I'd like to know and I may rethink my stance. If I could have got the place for £42k, I wouldn't have had to bother with the mortgage.

The acid test is of course could many of the people living in their homes today afford them at todays prices, doing the jobs they were when they bought them at equivalent salary. For a large number of people (and probably a majority in the south east), that would be a no.