Benefits for new parents

bujin

Mumto3cheekymonkeys wrote: »

I don't need to but I don't see why I should not. I noticed you didnt answer my question so I am assuming you are not entitled and therefore biased. I bet if you were entitled then you would also claim!

I really wouldn't waste your breath defending yourself. You are entitled to claim benefits and who unless they have the means, isn't going to claim it. We saw how many of those who were earning higher wages and were going to lose their Child Benefit, kick up a fuss and yet it could be argued that they could afford not to claim it...did they...no, because as I've said who in their right mind wouldn't claim something they were entitled to and after all as Martin says it's about what you're entitled to not whether you think the policy's right.

Some people have such a rigid, narrow minded view and have to make things very personal. It's all a great circle, we pay in, others take out, we take out, others pay in. We've all benefited from others hard graft, just as others will benefit from ours.

bujin

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Pensions and parents claiming welfare for their children, are still the biggest drain on the welfare bill. Raising the pension age to 68 was a good move to cut the pension bill and now we need to tackle parents who keep having children they can't afford/are unwilling to work enough hours to keep. Not paying the childs welfare payments in cash to these parents, would be a start.

We will get complaints from the pensioners' who didn't provide for themselves in their old age and the parents who decide to have los of children, but can't afford then without welfare money. They are two sides of the same coin.

Ever wonder why some of those pensioners didn't manage to provide for themselves. They grew up in a world crippled by debt after two world wars that saved our futures.
Well you certainly seem to have everyone squared away. Perhaps in your world it would be better for people to just not get old and to never be a child, then you could all be between the ages of 16 and 68 and then you'd be happy.

God forbid anything ever happens which changes the course of your life to make you more vulnerable. Have a good life, you certainly seem to be a happy soul xx

Ellejmorgan

mynameistallulah wrote: »

This is the problem with this country, the sense of "entitlement" demonstrated by people like you. Whatever happened to self sufficiency?

That's lovely til your husband leaves you or you end up with a permanant disability..

I used to own my own home and hubby had a 40k pa job, i'm now a lone parent in a council house..i'm also disabled..
No matter what job i'd ever done, what house i'd owned i'd still be on benefits..
Some people can't avoid it and if you don't understand it then you've not been in the situation..
People do not choose to be on benefits..they have to..

rhianna99

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Council run schmes can be used to feed, wash and clothe the children. There have already been pilot schems where they make sure children arrive at school having been fed a breakfast and are washed and have clean clothes.

This is the most ridiculous suggestion I have ever heard, you honestly think taking children off to a centre to receive their meals, get their clothes washed and have a wash is in their best interests? these schemes are to used to give additional support to familys who may be struggling, they are not a way to save government money by stopping benefits. perhaps you would like a return to the days of the workhouse.

I dont understand why some people on this board have to be so self-righteous and actually quite cruel to people who come to this board for adivce and support. What gives people like you the right to insult people purely because they claim what they are entitled to?

MissMoneypenny

bujin wrote: »

Ever wonder why some of those pensioners didn't manage to provide for themselves. They grew up in a world crippled by debt after two world wars that saved our futures.

Not that old chestnut:rotfl:I'm near pension age myself so that "we had it harder than anyone else" sob story, won't wash with me. Do you really think you had it harder than young people have now, bearing in mind all the social pressures there are?

bujin wrote: »

God forbid anything ever happens which changes the course of your life to make you more vulnerable. Have a good life, you certainly seem to be a happy soul xx

I worked (and still work) and have prepared for my old age, so I am having a very good life thank you. I'm realistic to the huge debt and social problems this country now has. Some of us are happier looking at problems, rather than ignore them. If you are happier claiming your pension; ignoring what is happening and stating that you had it harder than anyone else in your day, then you just keep on doing that if it makes you happy.

Soapn

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

That's lovely til your husband leaves you or you end up with a permanant disability..

I used to own my own home and hubby had a 40k pa job, i'm now a lone parent in a council house..i'm also disabled..
No matter what job i'd ever done, what house i'd owned i'd still be on benefits..
Some people can't avoid it and if you don't understand it then you've not been in the situation..
People do not choose to be on benefits..they have to..

I don't agree, for a lot of people, being on benefits is a lifestyle choice

MissMoneypenny

rhianna99 wrote: »

What gives people like you the right to insult people purely because they claim what they are entitled to?

Child benefit and Child Tax Credit is not your money, it's given for your child/ren to be lifted out of poverty. Yet you find it insulting that I suggest that we should be making sure these payments are actually being spent on the child.

Mumto3cheekymonkeys

I quite frankly think its a bias. If everyone could claim them then they would and why not. My grandad always says to me and bearing in mind he served in the war and has worked well over 60 years that he is glad his money is being spent on something useful and helping us younguns with a mess that is not our fault.

Sixer

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Child benefit and Child Tax Credit is not your money, it's given for your child/ren to be lifted out of poverty. Yet you find it insulting that I suggest that we should be making sure these payments are actually being spent on the child.

Miss M, not that I agree with all your critics on here, but I do think you exhibit wilful blindness sometimes! CTC is not and has never been intended to pay for specific child costs. It was and has always been intended to target child poverty by directing resources to HOUSEHOLDS with children living in them.

People take exception to your posts because you say CTC is INTENDED to pay for specific child costs. They respond by telling you that they use in the manner it's actually intended to be used - for HOUSEHOLD costs where that household has children.

This is and has always been the intention behind CTC. It's fine that you disagree with it - in many ways, I do too - but it's not correct to tell people they are misusing their benefit. They are using it as it is intended to be used - to ensure a child's home environment in its whole is not impoverished.

I wish you would distinguish between what actually is the case and what you believe should be the case.

rhianna99

It is the parents circumstances which the entitlement to ctc and cb is based on, so therefore it is the parents who are entitled to claim the money, whichever way you look at it. Why should parents who work full time and do their best to provide for their family be made to feel worthless because they claim additional financial help with they are entitled to in order to raise their family. Why should parents be dictated to on how to spend every last penny of this money, surely every parent has their children's best interests at heart and they know best how that money should be spent.