Help Please.( Been Had )

Strider590

almillar wrote: »

Only Americans have mOmmies...

And only Egyptians have mummies

zappahey

almillar wrote: »

Only Americans have mOmmies...

If we're going to get all pedantic, you'll find that South and Central Americans typically don't.

Credit_Crunched_2

Nearly_Old wrote: »

As for the number of owners shown on a V5C::
Original registration to the Lady - keeper No 1.
The Lady changes to a private plate - keeper No 2.
The Lady puts original plate back on - keeper No 3.

My son bought a car privately last Friday with the V5C showing 6 previous keepers but the HPI showed 3 plate changes so physically the seller was the 4th keeper and not the 7th.

Simply not the case!

A cherished plate transfer does NOT add additional owners to the vehicle.

It will show on an HPI check that the vehicle has had plate transfers, but makes no difference to the amount of keepers.

colino

Sorry Credit_Crunched while you would have thought that even the DVLA could get something as simple as this right, it is very, very common for plate change to confuse them.
The car I'm driving at the moment was bought new from Rossleigh (a trader friend celebrating his divorce) and in the number transfer to me is now showing as two previous keepers - both him!

Nearly_Old

ukmike wrote: »

You sure about that?No matter how many reg changes,it still has just the 1 owner.It's never done that for me over the years.

Yes when my son was buying the vehicle referred to in my original post the V5C showed 6 previous keepers so the seller was assuming that he was the 7th keeper / owner. However when we matched the HPI report and the MoT history it became apparent that the number of owners was less than the number of keepers. There was a virually complete history file (service book, receipts, etc) and when we went to see the car we cross-referenced to the HPI and MoT details.

It was first registered on a private plate and then changed back to it's real plate (this generated a 2nd keeper - same owner, same address just different plate) before it was sold. The 2nd owner (3rd keeper) transferred it to another private plate (4th keeper) and then back again (5th keeper) before selling. The 6th keeper (3rd owner) kept the original plate and when (s)he sold it the person now selling the vehicle became the 7th keeper (4th owner). If the plate changes had been done at the point of each sale rather than separately it may not have generated as many keepers. It does show the benefit of getting the HPI and MoT history in advance as we didn't enlighten the seller that he was not actually the 7th owner - well not until after we'd paid the money and got a signed Bill of Sale!

Nearly_Old

Credit_Crunched wrote: »

Simply not the case!

A cherished plate transfer does NOT add additional owners to the vehicle.

It will show on an HPI check that the vehicle has had plate transfers, but makes no difference to the amount of keepers.

You are quite correct it does not add additional OWNERS but it can add additional KEEPERS which is what the V5C records if the plate change is done independently of the sale/purchase process. The V5C for the vehicle my son was buying clearly showed 6 No previous keepers but the history file with all invoices receipts, etc clearly identifed only 4 previous owners (including the seller). There had been 3 plate changes independently of the previous selling / purchase of the vehicle as identifed on the HPI. DVLA works in mysterious ways!

Credit_Crunched_2

Nearly_Old wrote: »

You are quite correct it does not add additional OWNERS but it can add additional KEEPERS which is what the V5C records if the plate change is done independently of the sale/purchase process. The V5C for the vehicle my son was buying clearly showed 6 No previous keepers but the history file with all invoices receipts, etc clearly identifed only 4 previous owners (including the seller). There had been 3 plate changes independently of the previous selling / purchase of the vehicle as identifed on the HPI. DVLA works in mysterious ways!

Don't really know what to say about the last 2 responses! I guess it must happen by accident, but after 15+ years in the motor trade, and dealing with numerous plate transfers/ retentions in that time, I have never ever come across a time where a plate transfer has increased the amount of keepers a vehicle has had.

Sgt_Pepper_2

Credit_Crunched wrote: »

Don't really know what to say about the last 2 responses! I guess it must happen by accident, but after 15+ years in the motor trade, and dealing with numerous plate transfers/ retentions in that time, I have never ever come across a time where a plate transfer has increased the amount of keepers a vehicle has had.

But then you won't see the v5 once you've sold a car.

Nearly_Old

Credit_Crunched wrote: »

Don't really know what to say about the last 2 responses! I guess it must happen by accident, but after 15+ years in the motor trade, and dealing with numerous plate transfers/ retentions in that time, I have never ever come across a time where a plate transfer has increased the amount of keepers a vehicle has had.

TBH if we hadn't had the full history file that allowed the 4 actual owners to be identified from the various invoices and then cross-checked to the MoT history and HPI report we might have walked away.

The car was first registered on a private plate then about 2 months before it was sold it was changed back to it's allocated "T" plate and a new V5C appears to have been issued. About 2 to 3 months after it was bought the 2nd owner tansferred it a private plate, another new V5C and then changed it back to the "T" plate 2 months before they sold it.

Could it be that if the plate transfer is done as part of the sale/purchase process then the new V5C covers both the new keeper and plate change as one amendment? However if the plate change is just done on it's own (as in our case) then it requires a new V5C and if it gets into the wrong part of the system in DVLA the number of keepers is automatically increased? Presumably they must have an option for issuing a new replacement V5C when one has been lost that doesn't increase the number of keepers and this is the one that plate changes should also go through?

pulliptears

almillar wrote: »

Strider, post #21 - 'Mommy'?!

almillar wrote: »

Only Americans have mOmmies...

Mom and Mommy have been used in the west midlands for centuries. Regional dialect. Pet peeve of mine when people tell people off for Americanisms when actually the word is very much English.

Go into card shops around Birmingham and the Black Country and you'll be able to purchase a card that says 'Mom' on it.

Believe you owe Strider an apology.