Slumber burning wood - not a good idea !

muckybutt

rustyboy21 wrote: »

Awww, I thought you might have taken me up on the invite the Badger.

Never mind, more clotted cream for me then. Oooh I do love Bettys tea shop ! Mouth is watering already :j

Bettys ? is the trade show in Harrogate rusty ? if so i'll be your guest as its in my neck of the woods

This taken from the Guild of Master Sweeps website :

Use seasoned woods only (dryness is more important than hard wood versus soft wood considerations)

Build smaller, hotter fires that BURN more completely and produce less smoke
Never BURN cardboard boxes, waste paper, or Christmas trees; these can start a chimney fire.
Burn Recommended fuels ONLY and NEVER use your fire as a waste paper bin.
It has been proven that this practice starts chimney fires.
Use only recommended fuels for your appliance and flue type(If you are unsure check your manufactures instruction or ask your stove supplier).

rustyboy21

muckybutt wrote: »

Bettys ? is the trade show in Harrogate rusty ? if so i'll be your guest as its in my neck of the woods

This taken from the Guild of Master Sweeps website :

Use seasoned woods only (dryness is more important than hard wood versus soft wood considerations)

Build smaller, hotter fires that BURN more completely and produce less smoke
Never BURN cardboard boxes, waste paper, or Christmas trees; these can start a chimney fire.
Burn Recommended fuels ONLY and NEVER use your fire as a waste paper bin.
It has been proven that this practice starts chimney fires.
Use only recommended fuels for your appliance and flue type(If you are unsure check your manufactures instruction or ask your stove supplier).

Hi Mucky

You going?, when I work out the day I am attending ( dependant on staffing, one off on hols) I'll message you, be good to meet up with a fellow MSE'er, if you feel like.

It just winds me up that so many posters do not take any notice of what they should burn, as per manufactures instructions, then complain when things go wrong and blame the appliance. No Wonder there are so many chimney fires each year. Have the same with gas fires, people burning rubbish on them and wondering why the fire has packed up, when they have blocked the burners up and decimated a few months old fire.

No one reads instructions these days !:mad:

rustyboy21

Just to show.... Taken from Jotul website ref trouble shooting for wood burners.



Hard to control (overfiring)

• Poor gasket seals.
• The fuel: Never burn old pallets, chipped wood, trash or waxed products.
• Excessive draft in the chimney: Use a damper or a draft controller to reduce the draft.

Same with Stovax, Morso, Yeoman,Hunter Gave up looking after them, but could have gone on

alleycat`

rustyboy21 wrote: »

Just to show.... Taken from Jotul website ref trouble shooting for wood burners.



Hard to control (overfiring)

• Poor gasket seals.
• The fuel: Never burn old pallets, chipped wood, trash or waxed products.
• Excessive draft in the chimney: Use a damper or a draft controller to reduce the draft.

Same with Stovax, Morso, Yeoman,Hunter Gave up looking after them, but could have gone on

Interesting,
Exactly what is wrong with burning a pallet that is untreated and all the nails, staples have been removed?
It is just a piece of timber.

I understand not burning treated / painted / tanalised / Glued wood.
I assume they are using the term for old pallets to cover off the above?

As to the bit about people wrecking stoves.

One of the local stove companies told me a story about a customer using petrol on their fairly new stove.
Needless to say the stove was pretty badly damaged and the customer had a massive strop about how it wasn't covered for that kind of use.

grahamc2003

Pallets make excellent kindling imv. In fact, I've seen installation videos where the first thing the installers burn to show the stove is working is the pallet the stove was delivered on! (Nice dry wood, can hardly fail to light).

You can always apply a bit of common sense to what you read on the net - afterall, for each website saying don't burn pallets, there's probably an equal number saying it's ok too (or even sensible to). Anyhow - I burn all sorts on my stove - all my waste paper/cardboard/books/cotton wool with the dog's eye gunk on it/ any type of tree wood/chicken bones etc. My stove hasn't exploded yet, I never (well, rarely) get dirty glass, never had a chimney fire and my kids haven't been gassed by co yet. I'd say all those things are completely sensible to burn relative to the basic errors of low temperature partial burning of seasoned wood, or burning unseasoned wood, or trying to burn overnight all of which I'd say are orders of magnitude more detrimental to the stove and chimney. I wouldn't burn paint/petrol or anything which, imo, could potentialy harm me, the stove or chimney when burnt in a hot stove.

rustyboy21

grahamc2003 wrote: »

Pallets make excellent kindling imv. In fact, I've seen installation videos where the first thing the installers burn to show the stove is working is the pallet the stove was delivered on! (Nice dry wood, can hardly fail to light).

You can always apply a bit of common sense to what you read on the net - afterall, for each website saying don't burn pallets, there's probably an equal number saying it's ok too (or even sensible to). Anyhow - I burn all sorts on my stove - all my waste paper/cardboard/books/cotton wool with the dog's eye gunk on it/ any type of tree wood/chicken bones etc. My stove hasn't exploded yet, I never (well, rarely) get dirty glass, never had a chimney fire and my kids haven't been gassed by co yet. I'd say all those things are completely sensible to burn relative to the basic errors of low temperature partial burning of seasoned wood, or burning unseasoned wood, or trying to burn overnight all of which I'd say are orders of magnitude more detrimental to the stove and chimney. I wouldn't burn paint/petrol or anything which, imo, could potentialy harm me, the stove or chimney when burnt in a hot stove.

I don't think the issue of using pallet wood for kindling is the problem, it is the use of pallet wood for sole burning in large doses.

The problem with burning all the carp you are, is not that it is going to ruin your stove( which it may over time) it is the lethal fumes that come off them.

See below link from Canada ( The land of the stove )over burning 'Trash'.

http://www.swcleanair.org/properuse.html

It would also apply to the UK too ( Not the rgs, but the common sense)

rustyboy21

alleycat` wrote: »

Interesting,
Exactly what is wrong with burning a pallet that is untreated and all the nails, staples have been removed?
It is just a piece of timber.

I understand not burning treated / painted / tanalised / Glued wood.
I assume they are using the term for old pallets to cover off the above?

As to the bit about people wrecking stoves.

One of the local stove companies told me a story about a customer using petrol on their fairly new stove.
Needless to say the stove was pretty badly damaged and the customer had a massive strop about how it wasn't covered for that kind of use.

I think the problem is that when you put a human in charge of a fire ( men especially, me included !) whether it is a stove,brazier or BBQ, the Neanderthal man comes out in all of us. Common sense goes out the window and you reach for anything that will burn, without looking at the consequences of burning it ! :rotfl:

alleycat`

rustyboy21 wrote: »

I think the problem is that when you put a human in charge of a fire ( men especially, me included !) whether it is a stove,brazier or BBQ, the Neanderthal man comes out in all of us. Common sense goes out the window and you reach for anything that will burn, without looking at the consequences of burning it ! :rotfl:

The petrol one was actually a lady..... :eek:
But i take your point about BBQ's and Fire!

Williwoodburner

We have been burning the odd broken pallet, including nails for more than 40 years and not had a problem.

Re Rustyboys comment -
I don't think the issue of using pallet wood for kindling is the problem, it is the use of pallet wood for sole burning in large doses.

I cant see anyone buring loads of pallets (theyre expensive) and you may be able to find one here and there for free but to get enough to burn through a winter would need about 200 I recon and your not going to to find that many lying about.
Let alone all the work involved pulling nails out if you are bothered about burning nails (which we are not).

Must say tho we dont burn rubbish :eek: except for a bit of newspaper/waste paper, and again in small quantity cant see a problem.
Also dont some people buy those presses to squash newspaper into briquettes ? so cant be all that bad.
The wax debate we have seen on a previous thread and it was shown that many firelighters contain wax, so in small quantity cant see the harm (no one is going to rush out buying candles to chuck on the stove are they).

I think most people are going to have to burn logs or smokeless to obtain the quantity to run a stove, the odd bit of this or that wont make much difference, common sense really.

Lots of debate on Arbtalk on hardwood v Softwood and other info -
http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/firewood-forum/

Regards

Willie

welda

rustyboy21 wrote: »

Have the same with gas fires, people burning rubbish on them and wondering why the fire has packed up, when they have blocked the burners up and decimated a few months old fire.

No one reads instructions these days !:mad:

I had word with our gas assessors about folks burning stuff on a gas fire, these two guys are old hands, been in the gas game for years, never in their puff have they heard, or witnessed ANYONE abusing a gas in the way you state above.

On a different note, a couple of my posts are missing, anyone care to tell me why, they were neither rude or abusive, maybe it was Stalin??

:beer: