British & Irish consumers extortionate fees on eBay.co.uk, READ HERE & SAVE MONEY!

RFW

eBayRipOff wrote: »

You see RFW, this is exactly what I was trying to tell you, you should do some research before you make a comment.

That CAP only applies for Private sellers, after FORCED by eBay to register as a business, that CAP is gone forever! 12% no CAP!

Do you know I didn't know that, probably because despite high volume sales I rarely have final value fees that high, as I suspect the majority of sellers do not, so not sure why you would preach from that particular angle anyway.

soolin

RFW wrote: »

It was there, you missed it, post number 5

In that case once we meet the 'Mornington Crescent' moment I consider the discussion over and the person using the 'you work for ebay' line being unable to continue a cohesive argument.

brettcta

eBayRipOff wrote: »

I am really impressed by such genuinely well thought out responses, hope you can feel the irony!

the real irony in that reply was that you meant to use the word 'sarcasm'

RFW

eBayRipOff wrote: »

I have not been talking about listing fees, upgrade fees etc., because that is not so much the issue, and the differences are small in that.

Of course that is the issue, you are talking about fees and fee structure, if you sell something on Ebay all the fees paid are part of that fee structure. My overall fees to Ebay haven't actually changed too much per £ income over the years. Where I used to pay more for listings and gallery fees, I now pay less and pay more on final value fees.

Shop fee structure in France is markedly different as it is in the US, in the US it doesn't offer variations yet across all categories, so one category I list in would end up costing me about £15 to list for the equivalent of 10p in the UK.

I'm sure there is a thread somewhere in the US stating that they should list in the UK because it would work out cheaper for them.

RFW

Is it not also the case that Ebay.com charge final value fees on postage too where the UK does not?

soolin

RFW wrote: »

Is it not also the case that Ebay.com charge final value fees on postage too where the UK does not?

Yep, as I found out to my cost when I listed regularly on ebay.com. You also pay extra for 10 day auctions.

StaffsSW

So going back to the original point, who is meant to be saving money? The buyer or the seller?

If it is the seller, then that is based on the assumption that the buyer can actually find their listings.
If it is the buyer, then that is based on the assumption that the seller has discounted their selling price to allow for currently debatable fee saving on big ticket items.

That's a lot of assumptions being made, to maybe or maybe not save money on some high value items that comparatively few people will be in the market to buy or sell.

And I think most smart sellers would work with ebay, rather than for ebay. But the blinkered would never really grasp that concept will they?

As for my numbers being wrong? What numbers - I simply linked to the ebay fee pages for the various international sites, which is what the OP was trying to do. So I guess they are actually saying that ebay fees pages are wrong and they are right...

But I'll let the OP continue to tie themselves in knots and watch from the sidelines now.

eBayRipOff

First English is not my mother tongue, so when people get so petty that they slate my use of certain English words or grammar, well that just becomes your Mornington Crescent moment!

I have provided links to e official eBay page Uk and for Europe / USA, performed accurate calculations based on this.

Yes I used to sell 20 to 40 high value items a month, mostly sold on consignment, ranging from £500 to £6000, most of them in the mid range £1000 to £2500!

Based on my business model, and the products I was selling, and believe me, there are eBayers out there buying MANY high value items on eBay, they are now getting done by eBay! Items I sold was fixed market value, so only way to compensate for the fees was increase in the price, this means you purchased item from eBay, you would pay 15% if Paypal and eBay, on these items that would take out ALL profit margin, if not added on top of the price!

Go to my website, and I would sell you SAME product for at least 12% less, depending on payment method!

I am amazed by the ignorance and arrogance amongst some of you, if somebody shows you and proves to you it is blue, you still insist it is red!

The point about the overall listing fees for my type of products was insignificant, and regards posting fees, not an issue when you give Free posting as I used to do! Nothing is free end of the day, it is all a part of the price!

The biggest impact was always the FVF, as this have become a big issue for me, maybe not for people selling low value items, but not everybody sells memory sticks or DVD's.

I used to sell rare antiques for shops in London, this now is. Dead market on eBay. Going from £20000 to £30000 sales a month to £2000 to £5000, not even worth paying listing fees anymore!

What do you think happens if a potential buyer gets in touch and offers to pay acceptable price for item, but not enough to cover both me and eBay fees?

The new fee structure for eBay UK has made a flawed system for high value items, as customers buying expensive items does not like to pay £ 300 to £ 1000 above the price they should.

We are talking about serious money, also for people buying high value products.


eBay RIP

RFW

So all you need to do is get people to your website and they can get it cheaper. To do that you may have to advertise, which will cost money, so you will need to put your prices up to cover it. So endeth today's economics lesson

eBayRipOff

Yes, I used to spend £1000 to £1700 a month in eBay fees, I was not prepared to spend £2400 to £3600, on eBay fees a month, so yes, money saved on eBay goes to own adverts instead!

Or just advertise on eBay, and use it for this as its primary purpose!

End of the day, eBay put fees up, and I spend much less money on eBay!

I know of another 30 traders doing the same!