British & Irish consumers extortionate fees on eBay.co.uk, READ HERE & SAVE MONEY!

soolin

Soolin- waiting for the 'you work for ebay' line.......

eBayRipOff

stevew8975;

Many facts that are very wrong in your post.

I provided calculations of the fees on item value of £2500. Here it does matter what kind of value you start working with.

However using the USA model $1000 or more, that percentage detail moves fast down towards 3 %.

Initial $50 - 11%
$50 -$1000 - 6%

and than 2% above $1000

Old UK system was:
9.9% on £50
50 - 599.99 was 4.95 + 5.9% on selling price
£600 or more - £37.40 + 1.9% on the remaining value.

Now £1000 = $1600

Will work out 3 figures, USA, UK OLD and UK NEW

USA:
$ 5.5
$ 57
$ 12
Total of $74.5 which equals 4.6% of $1600 -

OLD UK EBAY FEES: Same item value £1000
£37.40
£7.6

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Total £45 of £1000 that is 4.5% another FACT

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NEW eBay UK, very simple, £120

Now if the price of the item increases, on the USA system and the OLD system, the base value stays, double the value of the item to £2000 and let's see what figures we get now.

USA: (£2000 = $3223)
$ 5.5
$ 57
$44.46

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Total becomes $109.96, now that is 3.3%

OLD UK - same figures (£2000)
£37.40
£26.6

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Total £64 of £2000 that is 3.2 % another FACT

New eBay UK gives you nice easy figure to calculate, £240, imagine that, from £64 to £240, and you telling me the increase is very small?

So your stats and bats from wherever you have read them, does not add up with reality.

You right, the other EU do not have all same fees, I have already highlighted this in previous post, but they have nothing close to the eBay UK fees, calculations show this.

internationalselling.ebay.co.uk/ebay-fees

More gob-wash in the end, just because item is listed on eBay.com, it can be located in the UK, so there is NO CUSTOMS, there is nothing wrong with this. Surely you should know better than spreading such propaganda and lies!

UK sellers, can list items on eBay.com, items are located in UK, posted from UK, that's why I say people need to use ADVANCED SEARCH on eBay, because these items will not show up in the normal search mode. There will no extra customs or postage fees, because they are listed on eBay.com

Note this kicks in as soon as the value on the item goes above £600 or $1000!

Surely you not going to deny these facts and actual numbers, of course if you have been listing on the bottom part of the price range, selling cheaper items, you will not have been that much effected!

eBayRipOff

soolin wrote: »

Soolin- waiting for the 'you work for ebay' line.......

No I would not say that, even people from eBay UK understood these issues that happen. It is clear, eBay don't want sellers selling items above £600, they prefer lower end junk!

Using Tamebay as a reference, is also a joke, they are very biased towards eBay!

Been there, done that, seen how it is, people applauding each other of their little pink, purple and whatever rating they had.

I used to be an eBay Platinum Power seller, Top Rated seller, so I know very well what I am talking about here! A pity some of you guys here, don't have a clue!

Jen_Jen1985

How exactly would I save money if I buy through ebay.com from a uk seller?
They have already listed the price and there would be no difference to me if I buy through .com or .co.uk

The seller may pay less FVFs depending on which way you go but unless they give you a partial refund afterwards I fail to see how a buyer would save money doing this, or am I just completely blind?

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

eBayRipOff wrote: »

The difference can be quite massive for medium and high value items.

VAT and import duty would be more than any fee difference.

eBayRipOff wrote: »

But sellers from the USA and Europe have a major advantage, as they get exposure on the UK eBay market, without paying UK eBay fees, they will pay their own local eBay fees in their home country

That works both ways, Australian trade is up and Best Match seems localised so exposure is based upon the buyer location. I.e if loads of US buyers buy an item but hardly an UK buyers do, the listing won't have good placement in the UK but will in the US.

eBayRipOff wrote: »

how else can you defend that a seller in Berlin or Paris or Vienna, can in effect offer his product at 10% less by default, because of his eBay fees in his own country!

My rent is higher in London than it would most likely be up north, should we have flat rate rents and costs of living across the country so we are al even footed?

eBayRipOff wrote: »

The fact is that many have lost their jobs because of this, but that is a different matter.

I am just laying out the facts as they are!

Can you back this fact up with a source please?

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

eBayRipOff wrote: »

Using Tamebay as a reference, [STRIKE]is also a joke,[/STRIKE] they are very biased towards eBay!

To be fair that particular statement is true.

eBayRipOff

Good question, seller is able to list the item at a lower price on eBay.com, because there are lower fees involved. So what could happen is that a seller has one item on eBay.co.uk for £2000, however he might list a similar item on eBay.com, and list it at £1760(approx. 10%), because he has less expenses on eBay.com

You do the deal in the normal way, everything business as usual, Paypal or other payment method, this is up to you. Shipping might sometimes be free or paid fee, depends.

However when listing on eBay.co.uk, seller has to take into consideration the 12% (or 10% depends what you buying)

Now the confusion is that items on eBay.com are listed in US dollar, but currency rates can be checked, and invoice can still be in British Pounds if done manually trough Paypal.

As I mentioned this works for items above £600, probably good start is £1000, below this, savings are marginal.

The only issue, is that eBay does not allow items located in the UK show up on the normal search, to be able to show these, you have to make advanced search, and tick items located in the UK, this will show up ALL items LOCATED in the UK, the ones listed on eBay.com will show up in US dollars.

It is simple, and all within eBay rules, only thing people must be made aware of this, so they can take advantage of this option when searching on eBay for various items.

Jen_Jen1985 wrote: »

How exactly would I save money if I buy through ebay.com from a uk seller?
They have already listed the price and there would be no difference to me if I buy through .com or .co.uk

The seller may pay less FVFs depending on which way you go but unless they give you a partial refund afterwards I fail to see how a buyer would save money doing this, or am I just completely blind?

eBayRipOff

ludovico;

There is no VAT or import duty, just because you list the item on eBay.com, item can legally be listed on eBay.com, you just put item located in the UK.
Item is posted from UK to UK customer.

Only duties and VAT if item is posted from UK to outside EU!
So don't get confused, you still using your UK eBay shop, based in UK, but you list yourself on eBay.com, like in the old days in the start, but beware what I wrote about the search engine of eBay UK, it is selective, and certain criteria applies.

You see if you list on eBay.co.uk, yes you will have exposure overseas, but you will be paying UK eBay fees, which I have just show on high value items will be at least 8-9% above USA sellers and Australian sellers, so in other words, unless you have a very unique product, you will not have a chance to compete with the locals or even with other EU or non EU countries on the home market!

Living in London is more expensive than in the North, but we do not have scaled eBay fees depending on where you live in in the UK, a place in Paris can be more expensive than London, a place in Berlin can be more expensive than London, take a trip to Cannes, Nice, and it is also more expensive.

eBay offers ONE market place, world-wide, but they are giving unfair advantage to a selected number of nationalities trough their fee structure.

Doesn't anybody find it strange, that UK/Ireland, have been chosen to carry these high fees compared to other nations?
Seriously anybody saying that Germany, Norway, Switzerland etc. are any worse of than the UK?

With regards to business, yes, I know of several people, ALL used to be Powersellers, selling loads of items, and now their accounts are hardly active. I know some of these personally, and I know for a fact myself I have let people go, was not possible. I know of others, we all working hard for new ways, and sure they will come, but the point here is that this is an attack on British small business, and nobody have taken notice.

There was some rumblings last year, but now the results are devastating!

Don't forget eBay if they want, they will cut you off if anybody speaks like have done here! They are one of the most fascist companies in the world, the way they operate and the way they run their operations!

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

eBayRipOff wrote: »

ludovico;

There is no VAT or import duty, just because you list the item on eBay.com, item can legally be listed on eBay.com, you just put item located in the UK.
Item is posted from UK to UK customer.

Only duties and VAT if item is posted from UK to outside EU!
So don't get confused,

I know, my point was most UK sellers will list on eBayUK so this can only have an adverse affect on sales if a) overseas sellers from eBayUS undercut in which case the VAT/duty puts you back in pole position b) the item is cheaper outside of eBay.

If UK sellers selling to UK customers are using the US site to undercut and gaining sales it obviously works and you can do the same, without bashing eBay for it!

On the second point we have to have some faith that the multi-billion dollar company has weighed up the increased fees against sales lost to higher prices and felt that it is still positive (for them but they mainly get money if we sell).

I'm sure Paris is more expensive than up north as well, my point is costs vary depending upon where you are.

I know the difficulties faced by unlevel competition having sold in a market where big companies were gaining a serious tax advantage just because of the location of their warehouse.

You say this kicks in at about 1K, are many people spending 1K in one go on eBay? Trust seems lacking and regardless of fees when we get to 1K any fee % becomes a fair chuck putting us back to point b above.

Please don't think I'm in love with eBay but I would much prefer better selling tools, better policy enforcement, increased merchandising and most importantly more customers (my sales aren't slow but the market outside of eBay seriously out performs eBay and that isn't because of price) than a fee reduction.

RFW

soolin wrote: »

Soolin- waiting for the 'you work for ebay' line.......

It was there, you missed it, post number 5

eBayRipOff wrote: »

I know because I used to be a big eBay seller, and this information is so YOU, the consumer can SAVE money!
Anybody saying anything else, I suspect could be working for eBay!