British & Irish consumers extortionate fees on eBay.co.uk, READ HERE & SAVE MONEY!

StaffsSW

What about currency fluctuations, what about increased postage costs, customs charges, postage times etc? Do you realise that each national ebay site is run as a separate business under it's own jurisdiction and policies but with approval from the US board?

You seem to think that eBay owes you something, when in fact it doesn't owe any of us anything.

Ebay has a purpose to make money, and how they do that is entirely up to them. We can either work with them, or work elsewhere. Some of us choose to adapt and survive, some of us choose to whinge and complain, and threaten to "strike". Who do you really think comes off worst in a seller strike?

And how is eBid going for you?

eBayRipOff wrote: »

I will get to the point quickly,

But no, you didn't, and for that reason "Aaahm oot"...

RFW

eBayRipOff wrote: »

I have not encouraged seller strike, RFW seems you have some difficulty to see and understand the facts, do some research before you come with misleading information.

I have told people to use eBay.com when they search, used ADVANCED eBay search, so you get items located INSIDE UK, not just do a normal eBay search, as there is greater value items for you if you do some leg work, ask sellers some questions, give them a call, and arrange for the listing specially for values over £1000 to be performed via eBay.com instead of eBay.co.uk unless of course you don't mind paying 10% more than you need to pay, that's up to you of course!

I prefer to save the 10% and use it on something else, eBay UK is screwing their sellers and buyers!

I will use Germany as an example:
EUR 500,01 und höher :
EUR 20,50 zzgl. 2% des Verkaufspreises über EUR 500,00

This means for values above 500.01 Euro, they want 20 Euro + 2% of the sales price above 500 Euro! Now compare that to the UK flat rate of 10 or 12%, and you having a laugh! If that is not different conditions I don't know what is.

All Europe have similar fee structure, a fixed price + 2% of the final sales price!

EDUCATE YOURSELF and stop spreading misinformation!

I just had a quick glance at France fees and in the main (some categories differ) over 500.01 Euro they charge 3.5% plus 34.00 Euro which could be double the German rate, so yes your facts about the rest of Europe are not correct, on just one example I looked at. I really don't care about your argument enough to bother looking at other countries.

If I were to use Ebay.com and faff about trying to get my listings to appear in the UK and subsequently appear lower down the searches, if I did all that, wouldn't I then lose my top rated seller discount, which will still be 10%?

As for your "consumer" advice, business sellers aren't consumers, they are businesses.

Ebay operates each country as a kind of franchise with that country devising its own fees and also being separate businesses, with profits and loss and subsequent taxation unique to those countries.

You are comparing apples with onions and getting your knickers in a twist over it.

Check out all the fees (including upgrades, galleries, etc), listing fees, final value fees across all the Ebay countries. Use some examples of selling an item for £10, £100 and £1000 and come back with how those prices stack up against the UK and I'll reconsider that you may be talking sense. Also bear in mind that you will also be contesting with fluctuating exchange rates, so your savings in dollars one month may be a loss the following month.

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

Is it me or do UK sellers targeting UK buyers list on eBayUK?

StaffsSW

ludovico wrote: »

Is it me or do UK sellers targeting UK buyers list on eBayUK?

Of course they do but this is no place for common sense and reason.

Be gone with you.

eBayRipOff

RFW - yes I know the difference EU countries are different in between themselves too, however the level is still huge from the UK Final Value Fees. (I used to have 25% discount, however forget that, with the new fee structure, the new increased fees far outweighs what whatever discount eBay was offering)

I have not been talking about listing fees, upgrade fees etc., because that is not so much the issue, and the differences are small in that.

I used to sell high value items, I would say an average price of £2500.

Now say I list this on eBay.co.uk and sold it this is what I would get depending on the price structure of eBay in Final Value Fees (Sales fees):

UK: £300 (old system would have been £84.9) an increase of £215, that's a hefty 250% increase in FVF

£2500 = approx. 3050 Euro (Figures below are approx figures - rounded)

Now if I took my online store, and moved to France, using your figures I would be charged: £112
So we have:
France: 137 Euro = £112 (using your numbers from eBay on their fees)
Germany: £141.5 Euro - £115
Spain: 90 Euro £73 (8.5% of first 50E + 5.5% of 450E and 2.5% of final 2500E)
Austria: 70.5 Euro
Holland: 71 Euros
Belgium: 71 Euros
USA: $123 = = £77 (£2500 = $4000) (XE exchange rates)

I am concentrating on the Final Value Fees, as the listing fees are smaller amounts, and in that sense we are talking about pennies compared to these kind of differences.

So the difference from UK to Germany is nearly £200, I find that wrong, as this means we are giving other sellers an advantage. There is no customs from the EU, and if you telling me living standards in Germany, France, Holland, Belgium etc. are below UK, than you are really don't know what you are talking about, because I have lived in all of those countries in the past!

I have just given ONE example, at one price, however as soon as your item goes above 500 Euro, you are on a real big time looser in the UK, and my advice here is how to be able to find cheaper items on eBay that are here in the UK.

Somebody mentioned eBid, no idea, never tried it! But looked at it, but looks quite dead from what I can see.

kurgon

As pointed out in another post, if you are accessing through ebay.com, you also lose rights and have to deal only with usa eBay if theer is a problem.....add that cost on and.......

eBayRipOff

ludovico wrote: »

Is it me or do UK sellers targeting UK buyers list on eBayUK?

Yes, the issue is that if you purchase an item that is above a certain value on eBay, that item could be less if it had been on eBay.com, because there is a difference in fee structures for the sellers.

The difference can be quite massive for medium and high value items.

The thing here is that eBay.co.uk and eBay.com and all the others, the allow for a FREE FLOATING market place, so you can list from anywhere in the world into any market place. Sometimes you might need to pay a little extra for this, however this is possible.

But sellers from the USA and Europe have a major advantage, as they get exposure on the UK eBay market, without paying UK eBay fees, they will pay their own local eBay fees in their home country, which is depending on value of item, but can be up to 400 -500% less in fees for them, meaning they can offer the UK consumer a better price than the UK seller can offer!

As it is the SAME company, if you want to make separate sub-divisions, you have to block sellers from other countries advertising on the eBay UK market, or subject them for the same fees if they sell to somebody in the UK, how else can you defend that a seller in Berlin or Paris or Vienna, can in effect offer his product at 10% less by default, because of his eBay fees in his own country! If they want to split it up, than they have to have separate market places too.

I am NOT telling anybody to strike, I am telling people to be aware, when shopping on eBay, used the ADVANCED SEARCH functions, so you are able to find the most possible products available to your area at the best possible price.

Even if they will be listed in US dollar, it easy to convert the exchange rate for this.

The fact is that many have lost their jobs because of this, but that is a different matter.

I am just laying out the facts as they are!

eBayRipOff

kurgon wrote: »

As pointed out in another post, if you are accessing through ebay.com, you also lose rights and have to deal only with usa eBay if theer is a problem.....add that cost on and.......

No that is incorrect, how do you loose rights?

You purchase item from eBay.com, pay with Paypal, exactly what rights have you lost?

You are talking absolutely gob-wash!

Again, coming out with a few lines, without giving it substance! Any business seller on eBay selling in the UK, needs to adhere with the distance seller regulations, regardless of if item is listed on eBay.com or eBay.co.uk

I am amused, people actually like to pay more here in this country? Vow.... impressed! Maybe I just should have increased the prices on all with 25% than!

RFW

Ebay in the Uk has a cap on final value fees of £40. Not sure how many high value items you have sold but you should probably check your invoices!

soolin

Oh dear, I like a good rant as much as the next person but I find it difficult to spend naytime responding when so much information is wrong.

Incidentally, if you list on ebay.com you pay FVFs on the postage element as well- are we sure we really want that?