Private Parking Ticket; Why to Ignore & not pay (Very Long Post)

give_them_FA

cmrfly01 wrote: »

[FONT=Book Antiqua, serif]I do agree, absolutely ! Having seen the sort of letters they send out, they do make for a good laugh ! The general consensus around them would be not to enter correspondence with them at all. But sometimes it's a laugh to imagine what the person sitting in his little office is thinking when he reads through an 8 page letter with so much legislation mentioned, and so many questions raised, that he simply has no clue on what's going on. And it feels like a small bit of justice when they 'Cancel' a charge. [/FONT]

I doubt they were swayed by your excellent legal arguments. The sort of nerks that work for them probably read half of page 1 and decided it was all too complicated for them.

No, what swayed them was probably the realisation that you weren't likely to cough up, so wasting any more money sending letters was pointless.

I have achieved the same result with one sentence sent in a letter which I didn't put a stamp on.

But you make a lot of excellent points, and which can be taken on board, as, case or no case, one or two companies are chancing their arm on the odd claim.

Here are a couple of posers for you to cast your eyes on.

Can a default judgment still be set aside (non-service) even if it was paid? And how many losing claims before we start accusing one individual of being a vexatious litigator?

Stephen_Leak

Welcome to the fastness. I think you're going to fit in here.

UKCPS is the UK Coloured Pencil Society.

I'd love to see the text of one of those 7 page letters.

angel_islington

Is there a prize for the best first post?

angel_islington

give_them_FA wrote: »

No, what swayed them was probably the realisation that you weren't likely to cough up, so wasting any more money sending letters was pointless.

This.

I once wrote to a debt collector (not PPC related) with valid and genuine arguments. They wrote back, completely ignored what I said and spouted more lies. Then I wrote a three page letter, very strongly telling them to get lost. I never heard back from them.

They are not interested in what is right or legal. They are interested in whether or not you are going to pay. Even if you actually owed the money, if you make it clear you're not going to pay, they will leave you alone. If you don't owe the money and you don't make it clear you're not going to pay, they will keep coming after you.

cmrfly01

Stephen_Leak wrote: »

Welcome to the fastness. I think you're going to fit in here.

UKCPS is the UK Coloured Pencil Society.

I'd love to see the text of one of those 7 page letters.

PM me your email address, I just tried to send it but it's 45,000 words to long to be sent via PM.

Kite2010

trisontana wrote: »

You should enjoy this letter which is being sent to "Court Proceedings Ltd" by a poster over on PePiPoo:-

Dear Mr/Mrs M Harper

Thank you for you letter regarding the unsolicited parking invoice alleged issued to me by UKCPS, ive never laughed so much for ages.

Your letter is a clear breach of S40 Administration of Justice Act, in that not only does it attempt to falsely represent you authority (or lack of, in this case), but it is clearly designed to cause distress or alarm.

So, listen carefully, because, as Yvette in "'Allo 'allo" used to say, I will say this only once.

1. I deny any debt to you, UKCPS, or anyone else you are acting as agent for.
2. For the avoidance of doubt (and without suggesting that you would), please do not a) send me any document purporting to be from the County Court unless it is a valid Claim Form duly issued or b) write to me threatening to send round bailiffs without first going through the process of issuing a Claim Form and obtaining judgment.
3. Should i receive any further communications from you, with the exception of properly filed and served court papers, which i will be very pleased to defend in court, any such further fraudulent threatening letters from you constitute a criminal offence of harassment under both Section 40 of the Administration of Justice Act 1970, and Section 8. of The Protection from Harassment Act 1997, and will be reported to both the Police and Tradings Standards, and civil claim for compensation will ensue.

Whats more, you're taking the mickey. You do not have a CCA licence issued by the OFT to collect debts (your application submitted in August 2010 was "made of no effect" by the OFT in early March 2011). This prevents you from acting on behalf of other companies, and is clear breach of the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

Also, the letter is not compliant with Companies Acts requirements for official correspondence, as it does not give the place of incorporation

So, in summary , you write to me on dodgy non compliant letterhead, breaking at least three different statutes, and expect me to fork out money for an unproven debt i deny, with no legal authority to either enforce the alleged debt or even act as a debt collector.

You really need to go and get a proper job, theres no future for you in the one you have there.

Thank you for your appeal, after careful consideration we have decided to reject it as the ticket was issued correctly in-line with the displayed terms and conditions of the car-park and in line with the British Parking Association code of scamming, however as a gesture of goodwill we will cancel the charge (as we can see we won't see any money from you)

cmrfly01

angel_islington wrote: »

This.

I once wrote to a debt collector (not PPC related) with valid and genuine arguments. They wrote back, completely ignored what I said and spouted more lies. Then I wrote a three page letter, very strongly telling them to get lost. I never heard back from them.

They are not interested in what is right or legal. They are interested in whether or not you are going to pay. Even if you actually owed the money, if you make it clear you're not going to pay, they will leave you alone. If you don't owe the money and you don't make it clear you're not going to pay, they will keep coming after you.

Very true ! Debt collectors (Those who act as third party agency, not the ones who have purchased the debt), are more inclined to revert the debt back to their 'Client' and have no more dealings with the account once they gather you wont be extending payment to them (they then know that they wont be making any profit from you), however those who buy debts (Lowell Portfolio for one), are more inclined to stamp their feet and chase you regardless, as they've bought a debt for less than 40p to the £1.00 ! I guess if it's to do with a consumer debt then it's a different ball game to that of a PPC invoice.

angel_islington

Oh, I know the Leeds Losers really well! They've been chasing me for over two years now, sending me the same old "pay within 7 days or else" nonsense. I have over 15 letters saying the same thing. I've been successfully ignoring them for all this time but now have decided to take some action as it's just getting boring.

give_them_FA

Just keep ignoring till either they get tired of it or it goes SB!

angel_islington

give_them_FA wrote: »

Just keep ignoring till either they get tired of it or it goes SB!

There's another reason why I want to get it sorted now. Also don't really want to be dealing with another 4 years worth of letters!

As they do, they've made some rather outlandish claims in their letters which might just come back to haunt them...

P.S I wasn't aware that one 'applied' to the court for a CCJ