Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Cardew

1973safc wrote: »

So it's ok for you to state that you cynically think I am in some way associated with the company in question (you jumped on me), but i'm not allowed to establish the integrity of those posting here? Is that not unbalanced? You can question my integrity, but I can't question yours without being smeared. How delightfully dictatorial.

Yes, I do think you are associated with the company and I have given my reasons. Everything you have written seems to confirm my suspicions.

I have no objections to you thinking/suggesting/accusing me of being connected with another Utility company - where have I suggested you are not entitled to do so?

I have told you I am not and have never been connected to a Utility company - but there is no way I can "establish" that fact.

All of your posts have been in exactly the same vein - seeking to attack the credibility of 'the anti-UW' faction. Which is the classic Modus operandi of UW salesmen, because they dare not discuss UW prices.

Now having established that I think you are connected with UW and you believe I am connected with a rival firm we have reached an impasse.

So why don't we concentrate on UW prices! It then doesn't matter even if you and I both have vested interests, all that matters are the facts.

Now I am stating that UW gas and electricity prices are just about the most expensive in UK: you can confirm that by going to any comparison website(including WHICH) or by comparing tariffs of the different energy companies.

The average customer in UW will pay £hundreds more for their gas and electricity than the cheapest tariff. something in the order of 30% more, although WHICH(being very conservative state only 20% more expensive)

Now do you agree with those facts?

Or will your next few posts be about your hurt feelings and the integrity of those who oppose the company whose products I suspect you peddle?

Post your consumption and area here and we will tell you how much cheaper you can obtain gas and electricity rather than getting it from UW.

That is if you cannot work it out for yourself; and of course if you can work it out all by yourself, I can understand your reluctance not to post the figures;)

Cardew

jellygoodfellow wrote: »

Are you sure Nigel ?

I thought i recall that Cardew agreed the cashbackcard was a good deal for those who used the card partners ,but suggested that people could save lots more by paying less for their energy from a cheaper supplier,and getting another service from UW and still use the cashback card to their advantage.

Or was i imagining this ?

No you are not imagining.

Time and time again we have stated that if the UW cashcard suits your spending habits, then it is a good card.

However there is no point in spending £hundreds more for your gas and electricity in order to get the card. If you really want the card, then get UW Broadband or phone or both!

The customer with the average UK consumption in my area(Midlands) will spend £305pa more for their gas and electricity with UW - a massive 34% extra.

To just break even with the cashcard and get back that £305 they would have to spend £6,100 pa in the shops that accept the card.

If you take the real costs of buying the cashcard, paying to top it up, loss of interest on the money and of course a small discount from using a cashback credit card, they would need to spend in the region of £8,000.

Just to make that perfectly clear - they will have to spend £8,000 more in selected shops just to cancel out the extra UW charge for gas and electricity.

Cardew

janninew wrote: »

I was also accused of having a 'vested' interest several times for being a customer and posting on here. I think its quite amusing that the Anti UW camp believe that there can't be a satisfied customer posting on here and everybody who is happy with UW must be a REP!!

janninew,

You know full well that the reason why people had doubts about your interest in UW was you that you mistakenly posted the UW were at the top of the prices comparison sites for gas and electricity.

You even said you had confirmed that 'fact'. Despite being challenged by other posters you initially maintained that stance and it took some while for you to admit you were in error and that your UW gas and electricity was indeed much more expensive.

As a result of that discovery you ceased getting UW gas and electricity and have changed you gas and electricity to EDF, whilst retaining your UW cashcard by having another UW service.

janninew

Cardew wrote: »

janninew,

You know full well that the reason why people had doubts about your interest in UW was you that you mistakenly posted the UW were at the top of the prices comparison sites for gas and electricity.

You even said you had confirmed that 'fact'. Despite being challenged by other posters you initially maintained that stance and it took some while for you to admit you were in error and that your UW gas and electricity was indeed much more expensive.

As a result of that discovery you ceased getting UW gas and electricity and have changed you gas and electricity to EDF, whilst retaining your UW cashcard by having another UW service.

When did i state that UW were at the top? I believe I said they were in the top 10, never said the top? Is your memory going Cardew? I never admitted my error and you know why I changed companies, as my circumstances have changed. One good point to raise was I left UW without paying a leaving fee or penalty, something alot of people with other suppliers would struggle to do!

I have been given some very poor advice on here regarding the UW card due purely to some posters obvious very personal dislike of the company, and that in my opinion is wrong!!

Cardew

janninew wrote: »

When did i state that UW were at the top? I believe I said they were in the top 10, never said the top? Is your memory going Cardew? I never admitted my error and you know why I changed companies, as my circumstances have changed.

Sorry janninew, but it is your memory that is playing tricks.

These are extracts from 3 of your posts in a short period.

I have gone onto Uswitch just now to check comparisions with other companies and UW is 5th down on the list as being my cheapest option,

The last time i went on a price comparision web-site (about 3 weeks ago) UW were in the top 10 for me, so obviously everybody gets different results. So the statement above is obviously personal to you, not everybody is going to get the same results as you, so UW won't always be in 50+ position as stated.

I have just been on Uswitch and though i haven't got any of my bills handy, i've inputted all the information required and UW came in at number 28.

After those were challenged it transpired that you haven’t even entered consumption figures to get those results - which explained why they were quite clearly wrong.

Where does it say i entered figures? I entered information about my house, number of rooms, number of occupents etc. I accept this wouldn't give me the most accurate result, but it did put UW in the top 10 a few months ago. You don't have to enter any figures to get the information.

After being told that you have to enter actual consumption figures to get any meaningful results you came up with this.

Right i have just been back to Uswitch and entered my new correct figures (Thanks Penhyn!) I entered the same figure as previously for electric and entered the approx one given by Penhyn for gas (5221) and the result is now showing as EDF being cheaper by 126.00.

If that isn't an admission you were wrong before, I don't know how you would describe it!!

Now bearing in mind that you have below average consumption for electricity(2513kWh) and only use about 25% of the average UK gas consumption(5221kWh), a saving of £126 is a very high percentage.

In fact if you enter those consumption figures(for Lancashire) into a website you will find UW appear in 60th position and their gas and electricity is 31.1% more expensive than the cheapest.

That is exactly the point we have been making! and indeed why you dropped UW for gas and electricity.

UW for most people are 30%+ more expensive than gas and electricity. For the average user that is approx £300.

If for understandable reasons you want to keep the UW card, then surely the correct advice is to do exactly what you did - stop getting UW's very high gas and electricity prices.

NigeWick

jellygoodfellow wrote: »

I thought i recall that Cardew agreed the cashbackcard was a good deal for those who used the card partners ,but suggested that people could save lots more by paying less for their energy from a cheaper supplier,and getting another service from UW and still use the cashback card to their advantage.

You miss my point. *I* do not want to go with other suppliers whose prices start off less and then rise past the cost of Utility Warehouse because I can not be bothered to switch. Utility Warehouse prices are not the cheapest and my use of the pre payment card offsets that, and more. Because of the number of services I take, I get phone calls to the USA, Canada and Australia included in my costs and this makes the deal the best I can get for me in my circumstances, and, I understand that it will not suit you. I pay less for my electricity and gas than I would with any other company or combination of companies. That is the bottom line for me. Cardew keeps insisting that I could save even more by being a rate tart. *I* can't be bothered to do that. *I* am happy shopping the way I always have and paying less that way. Cardew shops in a different way and I am happy that he is satisfied with not using any cashback card and does not use such a thing to save money.

Carmine was a self confessed rate tart but eventually decided that Utility Warehouse worked out the best deal for him in his circumstances. Certainly the company is not for everybody, but then what company is? Cardew, Quentin and others refuse to accept that Utility Warehouse will suit many people because of the way they shop. The discussion always boils down to this sticking point. Some members here refuse to understand that other people have different wants to them.

I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

NigeWick

Cardew wrote: »

Just to make that perfectly clear - they will have to spend £8,000 more in selected shops just to cancel out the extra UW charge for gas and electricity.

Would that be on your consumption, or just a figure that you plucked from the ether?

I have shown previously in this thread how much less I paid as compared to the then touted best buys. After Carmine recommended some Sainsbury's own line products I actually buy more there than previously and save even more of my money in the way that I choose.

Do you believe that no person other than a Utility Warehouse distributor can benefit by being a Utility Warehouse customer?

I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

Plushchris

NigeWick wrote: »

You miss my point. *I* do not want to go with other suppliers whose prices start off less and then rise past the cost of Utility Warehouse because I can not be bothered to switch.

How many of the other suppliers prices have "risen past the cost of Utility Warehouse"??

Can you give examples?

cjb02

1973safc wrote: »

Err, I'm not the one giving advice here!

Yes you are!!! your advice is not to believe people who are have arguements for not using UW despite being very very expensive.

1973safc wrote: »

You lot are trying to, but failing because we don't know if you have hidden agendas or not, therefore your 'advice' isn't worth anything to anyone.

Hidden agenda or not, UW is very expensive, check the comparision websites. Thats not advise, thats fact.

1973safc wrote: »

Your Google results depend on your search criteria you stupid man!

You stated your search criteria as "Utility Warehouse", I used the same search criteria as you!!!

What was that phrase you used "you stupid woman/girl/boy/man", take your pick, I wont make any assumptions on gender.

Cardew

NigeWick wrote: »

Would that be on your consumption, or just a figure that you plucked from the ether?

I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

You really are clutching at straws - mind you as a UW salesmen I can understand you might want to confuse.

This is what I posted!

The customer with the average UK consumption in my area(Midlands) will spend £305pa more for their gas and electricity with UW - a massive 34% extra.

To just break even with the cashcard and get back that £305 they would have to spend £6,100 pa in the shops that accept the card.

If you take the real costs of buying the cashcard, paying to top it up, loss of interest on the money and of course a small discount from using a cashback credit card, they would need to spend in the region of £8,000.

Just to make that perfectly clear - they will have to spend £8,000 more in selected shops just to cancel out the extra UW charge for gas and electricity.

So firstly it is a person with the average UK consumption of 20,500kWh gas and 3,300kWh electricity that would spend £305 pa more if they were silly enough to have UW supplying their gas and electricity. (I would pay over £800 more)

So the £6100 they would need to spend in shops that accept the UW card is just to cancel out the additional £305 they would pay UW for their gas and electricity using a figure of 5%.

However they have to buy their card and pay each time they top it up. Then they lose interest on the money they have to put on the card in advance.

If you pay for the shopping using a cashback credit card you can get between 0.5% and 1.25% discount .

So to get back the £305 extra they pay for UW gas and electricity, the expenses of the card, lost interest, and taking into account the credit card cashback, the average customer will need to spend approx £8,000 in shops to accept the UW card just to get back the extra they pay for their gas and electricity.

Challenge my figures if you want and give your own figures for the average UK customer.

You are really getting as desperate as carespress if you keep talking about what cashback card I personally might, or might not, use.