Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

bendtoy_2

I notice our dear UW friend Keggs returns from time to time to thank pro uw posters,but no longer has the courage to contribute his self.

bendtoy_2

1973safc wrote: »

For me or anyone else to make an informed choice, the credibility of people posting here is important.

Thats why it clearly states.

"Remember, this is an open forum! Anyone can post so always exercise caution when acting on info"

and whats wrong when people are spamming ,talking UW bullsxxx,that more savvy members point it out.

Having said that not all UW distributors /customers are guilty of this.

1973safc

bendtoy wrote: »

and whats wrong when people are spamming ,talking UW bullsxxx,that more savvy members point it out.

As long as those more savvy members don't have hidden interests of their own, nothing at all. However, if they work for, or are associated with rival companies, then we should take their input with a very large pinch of salt too, and that is what is potentially misleading if those interests aren't revealed. At the moment, I wouldn't feel comfortable trusting either side for the whole truth. Some here post with so much vehemence that they can't possibly be offering impartial advice.

janninew

jellygoodfellow wrote: »

In the first post in this thread MSE says

All Telecom Plus Distributers must declare it when they post
, All workers or those related to other utility companies must declare it.

Most people do this,and even say they are a shareholder ,a customer and they get a discount for referring people etc.. If you havent got an interest you dont have to declare it.

You have not answered my question.I ask again.

Are you a UW distributor or customer ,or just someone who joins MSE on Boxing Day and just by chance happens to stumble across this particular thread .

Come on its not a difficult question to answer.

Did you not read afew pages back that Cardew has decided that them rules no longer apply, he has found some new up to date rules, so UW Reps don't have to declare it each time!! Or are the 'new' rules just for employees of other utility companies? I'm confused? Personally I think we should all follow the rules set out at the start of this thread, but others disagree!!

janninew

1973safc wrote: »

I made one post, and was immediately leapt upon. For me or anyone else to make an informed choice, the credibility of people posting here is important. Do they have significant prejudicial interests? If they do, then I will downgrade the significance of what they say greatly. So should everyone else if they don't want to be misled, one way or the other.

I was also accused of having a 'vested' interest several times for being a customer and posting on here. I think its quite amusing that the Anti UW camp believe that there can't be a satisfied customer posting on here and everybody who is happy with UW must be a REP!!

NigeWick

Cardew wrote: »

It all smacks of an attempt to discredit the opinions of those who are prepared to counter the UW propaganda and lies.

You mean like Quentin and his Utility Warehouse pre payment card beating cashback card? He has never posted a link to it or any other evidence of its existence.

You state that Utility Warehouse has just about the most expensive electricity & gas and ignore the fact that people who use the pre payment card to good effect can pay less for their utilities than with any other company or combination of companies. Some of the "anti brigade" admit that the pre payment card is useful but insist that their advice to get fuel elsewhere is of the best, without accepting that some people do not want to be rate tarts. In fact one self confessed rate tart checked his numbers and decided that the company suited his requirements. You make your choices and that is OK. Why not let other people make their own decisions without always trying to find something wrong with the way people make choices that are different to yours?

Do you believe that not one person (not including distributors) can benefit by being a customer of Utility Warehouse?

I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

1973safc

Does Cardew work for an alternative company?

Cardew

1973safc wrote: »

Does Cardew work for an alternative company?

No I don't.

I have never worked in any shape or form in the Utility supply industry.

I stated quite clearly why I am suspicious about your contributions a few posts ago. The whole tone of your initial post is typical of UW salesmen attempting to set-up a situation; and through experience of scores of similar sounding attempts, we get very cynical. That is not being "immediately leapt upon".

You have equally implied that the anti - UW faction might/must have a vested interest in that we work for other Utility companies.

I have asked you in turn, what qualifications do you feel are required to be able to comment on UW?

Wouldn't it be more sensible if you simply addressed high UW prices?

If we are wrong and you are a genuine neutral, what harm has been done?

You can read this thread and find out what our objections are to UW. If you feel we are wrong, then argue your case.

rippedoffbyspark

i just wanna say something ive read all the posts and cardew comes under a lot of flak etc for what ? hes stating that uw prices are high (in his opinion) hes not forcing anybody to believe his statement as im sure the facts speak for themselves. im not a friend of cardew but it seems to me the uw sales people dont like free speech if not then dont contribute to the posts simple...
keep up good work cardew always a pleasure to read your posts:beer:

Cardew

patman99 wrote: »

Isn't it about time this thread got knocked on the head?.
From an outsiders view is that it is a fact-less load of drivel driven-on by wind-up merchants and UW IDs.

All I will say is that having switched from deal to deal, I switched to UW 6 years ago, this hasn't stopped me looking at other companies on a more than regular basis, but as none of them are cheaper (when including standing charges (yes, even the 'hidden' ones like BG have)). For instance, in my area, the cheapest E7 rate from those available on comparison sites is 5.2p/unit, UWs is 3p/unit. Uws day rate is 11.65p/unit. The cheapest from the 'comparables' is 10.98p/unit BUT you pay 19.75p/unit for the first 250 units, so on my quarterly bill, this averages out to 15.69p/unit against UWs (with member fee inc.) of 11.75p/unit.


When someone can be bothered to actually average out the true cost per unit including membership fees an standing charges, then they will find that some of the so-called 'cheaper than the rest' deals aren't quite as cheap as they first appear.

You posted this a few months ago:

Had a call from BG last night, Iasked him the unit price for electricity. First 200 units are at 19.6 p (to hide the £12.50 service charge), over that, its 13.4 p, with night rate being a flat 5p/unit. He claimed to be cheaper than my current supplier. I told him I pay 11.35p/unit dayrate & 3.5p/unit nights. His reply?
'Oh, another UW customer'.

Unlike EDF & BG, at least UW does actually review my average monthly usage each year and adjust my monthly payments accordingly.

When asked to give details of your consumption you failed to answer.

Looking at the UW prices for every region in UK, the cheapest Economy 7 tariff is in Yorkshire. Indeed you are quite right that the night rate is 3.5p before VAT. However the day rate is 12.934p - again before VAT. and to get those prices you have to pay a monthly charge of £9.49 - again before VAT. Also of course on top of this you have to pay the monthly UW club fee.

So perhaps you can give us details of your UW tariff and area, and for that matter the details of the BG tariff.