Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

1carminestocky

Who would pay for vinnyph's calls, PC? You? He's already hinted as to why taking the 4 UW services is the best financial decision for him (same as my reason), it's not difficult to ascertain the reason if you read his posts carefully. It's actually allowed me to cancel a rather expensive mobile contract - when i checked the itemised bills the vast majority of the calls were to landlines. Go figure. That's the sort of thing MoneySaving Expert In Rreverse (TM) Cardew would do. Embarrassing.

Here's a sobering thought for the AUWF: if everyone whose shopping pattern fitted the cashback card enough to make UW the cheapest option was to sign up to UW, I reckon they would crash into the Top 3 G&E companies in the UK on customer numbers.

vinnyph

Plushchris wrote: »

Yes, so in that respect the websites that DO have the Consumer focus code of confidence logo have it because they are an accurate guide, no?

They have to meet strict requirements enforced by consumer focus (was energywatch) so if you have a problem with how they present the results then why not take it up with consumer focus instead of whining about it on here?



They dont need me to do that, they do a good enough job themselves, just look at the unit rates.

Again you dont answer because a customer taking just gas and electricity (and there must be some if 4 services is the average) will not get any discounts (especially if they do not shop at Sainsburys)



Yes, simples, go to a cheaper provider of gas and electricity and stay with them for phone/broadband getting the cashback off that instead.




What I believe is totally irrelevant to the conversation, so is what you believe, look up there at the top of the page, it says "gas and electricity" and "Utility warehouse (telecom plus) discussion" not "Religeous discussion and general waffle"

Alas not, those online energy swapping sites don't include the discounts a UWDC customer gets because UWDC won't waste money paying a commission to the site to get a favourable listing. Look at my situation. After discounts I pay £591 a year for my gas electricity, broadband, telephone and line rental, reckon you can beat that not using UWDC.

I have never whined about it I have merely pointed it out. It doesn't bother me because UWDC are growing very fast anyway and people don't really take much notice of the online energy swapping sites because people realise they are just a in-direct marketing company for the energy companies. The Consumer focus code of confidence logo was introduced because there were some sites that were fined a few years ago for providing incorrect information. For instance Simply Energy. Just as the EnergySure regulation was introduced because of miss-selling. All it says to me is that the company has needed to have external regulation if it displays the symbols.

Look at it this way, if the other companies refused to spend money on advertising and didn't pay a commission to the online energy swapping sites then UWDC would loose its competitive advantage because billions are spent per year on advertising in total across the other companies. Also people have learnt not to trust everything they say because they are not independent. UWDC has managed to grow fast without any advertising and merely by recommendation from satisfied customers through a network of satisfied distributors. I regularly get referrals and the customers stay. It makes no difference

What it really comes down to is that you do not like to be put right when you make a misleading statement that does not include the full information because it merely shows that you are incorrect. You for some reason think that UWDC doesn't have any discounts. You even ask me what they are even though they have been put on this site dozens of times. You don't like the discounts being mentioned simply because it makes your whole argument against UWDC invalid. The reality UWDC customers do take an average of about 4 services in order to get access to all the discounts because it makes sense to, it's much cheaper for them to do so. What you portray is not accurate, I don't have one single energy only customer. Why would you suggest people not take advantage of those discounts. Lets face it your whole argument is again invalidated.

You tell me to go to another provider for my energy. The cheapest is currently £18 cheaper per year. £845 instead of £863. However I would loose my CDP discount worth £179 and also I would loose my free calls 24/7 worth at least £80 a year. So your advice is just poor advice. I would not be better off as you suggest, in fact I would be £241 a year worse off. However it simply highlights your whole argument as being incorrect and invalid. I have taken the respect of answering you a number of times and given an accurate detail. Are you now going to suggest you know better than me again as you usually try to?

All I can see is someone who tries desperately to win points but does not succeed.

Someone asked me a religious question. If you think you and this site is above God, that's your problem. I am not ashamed of God unlike what you seem to be.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

Cardew

UW gas and electricity is just about the most expensive in UK and £hundreds more than the cheapest tariff - generally around 30%.

That fact can be confirmed by checking the tariffs in any comparison website or by comparing the tariffs yourself.

There is no need to listen to either side of the argument on this thread, just confirm the facts with any independent source.

vinnyph

kippen_noedel wrote: »

Actually what he said was "I am a man like all men, a son of God. whoever believes in one God above all men must accept they are born in the image of God and follow the path to salvation"

Why do you presume I wasn't looking for inspiration, it just shows you have a closed mind with no room for anything other than your small blinkered faith. You talk of doing good, you talk of forgiveness, you are all talk and no substance. Once again your true nature is revealed here.


Please remember pride is one of the worst kind of traits, let alone being a sin in your Fathers eyes.

Now once again, how can you justify, UW and it's very high energy prices. If yes, do you care to give me a quote for my bills, no-one else from UW has. All the information you need is in this thread.

That is but one passage that I do not recall from the Bible. There are dozens of places in the gospels where Christ reveals his nature. If I detail them, which I can I will get accused of talking about religion.

Actually every mention you have made in regards to GOD or the Bible or other religions or Christ before has been one of scepticism, denial, contradiction and questioning. You have questioned me every step of the way. You have shown disrespect for my faith and tried to question my faith. Yet you think from all that I should decipher that you in fact read the Bible for inspiration. If you truly read the Bible for inspiration you would be inspired. All I can say is that as with all sceptics they are never happy unless they are attacking someone or something. They never actually bring anything worthwhile. However you reveal your desire. Why do you see yourself as someone who can question God? Do you question my faith simply because I am a Distributor for UWDC so you can try to find something wrong because that's the motive I see..

The point you seem to be implying I made is that UW is good for everyone. There are cases where it does not apply. I have never said it is good for everyone. In any case if I quote for your bills I will simply get questioned and accused of spamming by Quentin. It seems to me that your energy is so very high it's higher than any residential customer I have ever seen. However you would do much better to economise instead. 48000kwhs is a big figure. Just as a matter of instance though. How much do you actually pay for your gas electricity, broadband,telephone in total per year.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

vinnyph

Cardew wrote: »

UW gas and electricity is just about the most expensive in UK and £hundreds more than the cheapest tariff - generally around 30%.

That fact can be confirmed by checking the tariffs in any comparison website or by comparing the tariffs yourself.

There is no need to listen to either side of the argument on this thread, just confirm the facts with any independent source.

I notice again you ignore how much my energy with UWDC is. For my energy usage its one of the cheapest on those sites as I have proved in a previous post. As is the case with others. Rips shreds in you argument.

Your bolstered 'fact' about energy is just another one of your bluffs. It's easy to answer though and has been answered many times before. This is before the many discounts that the UWDC provide are added in. The comparison website don't include the UWDC discounts so distort what a UWDC customer will pay. So again you choose to ignore any discounts with UWDC when you compare.

With my discounts I get my broadband, telephone, line rental, gas, electricity for £591. You are paying somewhere around about 3 times that for your services.

Your advice you keep giving does not include the full picture.

I thought I would put some of those words in bold so you notice them cardew.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

Maz

mech wrote: »

Maybe they have. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have saved more by switching to something other than UW does it?

That's up to them, surely? If they weren't happy, for whatever reason, they'd move suppliers and they are free to do so. Plus, the customers who have the cashback card are MORE than happy! Those that don't have the cashback card are happy too.

I know, because I ask them. Customers are free to go with whichever supplier they want. They stay with me because I give a personal service, unmatched by any of the other suppliers. They also know that they can leave if they want to. Believe it or not, a lot of people value personal customer service, which is something you tend not to get from the Big 6 suppliers. (Unless they're trying to retain customers of course;))

I had a new customer yesterday who didn't realise that he was paying for two meters worth of electricity. He.d bought a farm, sold most of it off and was concerned about his high electricity bills.Turns out that, he had two meters still connected to his property, one for his house and one going to one of the buildings he'd sold off. He was paying for the outbuildings consumption as well as his own!

His house is purely residential but he was still on a commercial rate, which he didn't realise until I pointed this out.

Now come on, if a supplier is creaming it by charging a customer commercial rates, how likely are they going to examine their bills, despite constant queries and say that 'well, actually, you should be on a residential rate'. No! It doesn't happen! It takes somebody like me to come along and show them thatn things aren't quite as they should be.

That's the difference, we provide it and you should really shut up now.

1carminestocky

mech's a decent sort but his/her main problem is the fact that he/she can't get past the thinking that everyone's domestic set up is like his/hers; lives alone, doesn't drive a car, spends approx £15/week at the supermarket etc. I've nothing against this lifestyle at all (unlike Macca Live and Let Live is my motto)but it's a mistake to apply it to everybody's situation. Maybe one of the problems is that most members of the AUWF have circumstances that make UW not viable for them. Fine by me, even UWs most fervent supporters (myself included) have never suggested for one moment that UW is for everybody.What i genuinelycan' get my noggin around is how they can then somehow 'convert' this to 'it's no good for anyone'. That's where all credibility is lost, they just can't bring themselves to admit (publicly, at least) that UW *can* be the best option for some people. Weird.

Cardew

vinnyph wrote: »

I notice again you ignore

I think it is kinder to ignore you - period!

My aim here is to counter the propaganda misleading information spread by UW salesmen, and hope to reach prospective and current UW customers so they can take independent advice.

UW gas and electricity is just about the most expensive in UK and £hundreds more than the cheapest tariff - generally around 30%.

That fact can be confirmed by checking the tariffs in any comparison website or by comparing the tariffs yourself.

There is no need to listen to either side of the argument on this thread, just confirm the facts with any independent source.

Please note; I am urging them to take independent advice on the accuracy of the above statement.

kippen_noedel

vinnyph wrote: »

You have shown disrespect for my faith and tried to question my faith.

Wrong conclusion, I have the utmost contempt for the manner in which you brought the subject into the thread.
Subsequent comments :mad: from yourself proved I was right to hold your religious persona in such contempt.
Your assumptions are invariably wrong, you assume too much of what my motives or aspirations were in reading the bible along with other religious books/manuscripts. I started from a religious background, started to question the demand for blind unquestioning faith in what I was being taught & found the answer. Organised faiths with a hierarchy have primarily one motive, Control and Power over others.
You delude yourself if you actually think you are a good Christian, you are the worst kind bringing shame on those who actually are good.

vinnyph wrote: »

In any case if I quote for your bills I will simply get questioned and accused of spamming by Quentin. It seems to me that your energy is so very high it's higher than any residential customer I have ever seen. However you would do much better to economise instead. 48000kwhs is a big figure. Just as a matter of instance though. How much do you actually pay for your gas electricity, broadband,telephone in total per year.

I have asked you to say how much my usage would be with UW for the comparible services I use. You would not be spamming under such circumstances.
My usage is reasonably high but I have a number of friends whose gas usage is higher but lower on electrcity & vice versa higher electricity usage lower gas.
My usage is relevant for the age/size/type of my home.
The amount I pay currently for enrergy is irrelevant, if I use a comparison site I enter my usage, not the amount I spend.

Maz

Freaky!

I have never yet come across any customer who can be described as 'average' in either their useage of the way they divide the payment of household bills. Everyone is unique. I offer UWDC and if it will be beneficial to them, that's fine, if it doesn't help them, that's fine also.

C,Q and some others can't quite grasp the concept that whatever is normal in their households is not necessarily normal in other peoples households.

There is no such thing as normal!

Only arrogant, blinkered people imagine that their way of life is the only way to go.

There's only one way of life and that's your own. (Levellers!)