Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

vinnyph

Plushchris wrote: »

Vinny, a few questions (again)

Where is the consumer focus code of confidence logo on the UW website and their "savings calculator"??

Exactly what are the "many discounts" a gas and electricity customer gets with UW?

How can you deny that UW gas and electricity unit prices are among the most expensive in the country?

Just the answers please, no religeous guff

The savings calculator is just a generalised rough guide, and stated as such on the site. However it does include the many discounts that UWDC customers receive, something the online energy swapping companies websites do not. As such the online energy swapping companies websites are not an accurate guide as to what a customer actually ends up paying on their UWDC bill since they do not include the discounts. Surely, by now you should know all the discounts that UWDC provide because you have been coming on here for years. Seems strange why you should ask. Seems only an attempt to distract. I have recently detailed them many times. Others have detailed them as well. Don't say you still don't know after all this time. Your questions seems only to infer that customers of UWDC only take gas and electricity, they don't, they take many more services than that as an average, about 4. So it seems a pointless question in this regards. The customers get many discounts by taking the whole package or are you still unaware of that. The energy prices only seem expensive to you because you ignore the discounts and also ignore the situations such as I have pointed out a number of times where in fact just on energy alone before discounts are applied UWDC comes out as one of the cheapest. Others have pointed this out to you and proved it. So really it seems your questioning points to a question to you. As I have already provided proof recently and answered this before.

How can you deny there are situations where UWDC energy alone comes out one of the cheapest.

Really, if this is the best argument you can come up with and it has already been answered then what else have you got. Everything else has already been answered many times before.

And on a religious note why should I be subjected to atheist scepticism questioning yet not be allowed to answer? Who are you to question God?

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

vinnyph

Plushchris wrote: »

Vinny, any chance of actually answering the following questions instead of spouting all the religeous (and off topic) claptrap?

I was busy answering you, you atheist halfwit. I got asked some religious questions did I not.

vinnyph

Cardew wrote: »

What the concensus of opinion might be amongst UW salesmen is unimportant.

The inescapable fact is that UW gas and electricity is just about the most expensive in UK and £hundreds more than the cheapest tariff - generally around 30%.

That fact can be confirmed by checking the tariffs in any comparison website or by comparing the tariffs yourself.

There is no need to listen to either side of the argument on this thread, just confirm the facts with any independant source..

The whole point is that your Cardew fact has already been proved wrong. What I have learnt is that when you put the word fact in a post it really means a cardew opinion.

My energy on its own with UWDC is one of the cheapest. No matter how much you pose, bluff, bolster, bluster, ignore or distract, that has already been proved. Others with UWDC find the same.

For that matter I pay far less than you for my bills in total. Yet your only advice you give is not use UWDC. So again a very good question is why would you suggest I move away from UWDC then. I pay only £591 including all my discounts with UWDC.

And yes the consensus of opinion is correct. Where your problem lies is that you still think people take notice of your cardew facts. The fact is they don't. In fact many have questioned you and put forward direct questions but you bluff your way around the issue and try to state your cardew fact instead. That is very Bold of you to do so.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

Plushchris

vinnyph wrote: »

I was busy answering you, you atheist halfwit. I got asked some question did I not.

Sorry, I dont see a single answer to my questions, just a couple of paragraphs of bluster.

I asked "where is the consumer focus code of confidence logo?" and you went on about the calculator being a rough guide, not answering my question.

I asked "what are the "many" discounts a gas and electricity customer gets?" and you went on about customers taking more than 2 services (again not answering the question)

I asked "How can you deny that UW gas and electricity unit prices are among the most expensive in the country?" and you again went on about discounts.


Add another question.. What makes you think I'm an atheist?

vinnyph

Plushchris wrote: »

Sorry, I dont see a single answer to my questions, just a couple of paragraphs of bluster.

I asked "where is the consumer focus code of confidence logo?" and you went on about the calculator being a rough guide, not answering my question.

I asked "what are the "many" discounts a gas and electricity customer gets?" and you went on about customers taking more than 2 services (again not answering the question)

I asked "How can you deny that UW gas and electricity unit prices are among the most expensive in the country?" and you again went on about discounts.


Add another question.. What makes you think I'm an atheist?

It doesn't need a consumer focus code of confidence logo because it is a rough general guide as stated on website. Is that spelled out to you enough now.

It's not a relevent question because UWDC customer take an average of about 4 services in order to get all the discounts. In any case that question has already been answered before as I stated. You are not bringing anything new that hasn't been answered before. I know you would like to just look at UWDC energy in isolation because you try to make them look more expensive than they really are.

I also notice you avoided my question. Would you suggest I move away when I pay only £591? Would you think I would benefit if I moved my energy away form UWDC and so loose hundreds of pounds of discounts?

In terms of energy I have already answered this before and I'll answer it again. My usage means my energy with UWDC is one of the cheapest so how can you say it is one of the most expensive? I have already proved this.

What I don't understand is why you still think you are on the attack when you clearly have already lost the argument long ago. Why you still think your argument is relevant I do not understand.

Sounds more likely to me you don't like it that there are cases where UWDC energy comes out one of the cheapest. It disproves your argument that they are one of the most expensive.

If you believe in God why be so against me answering a religious question when I am asked? Are you embarrassed to let people know you believe in God.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

Cardew

uptomyeyeballs wrote: »

Breathtaking arrogance from the hypocrite once again. Says who? You? We already know you don't practice what you preach Cardew, so why do you think your word is sacrosanct here? You may think so, but I like to take on board all opinions, so consensus is important.

I couldn't personally benefit enough from the UW cashback card because I'm not a Sainsburys shopper, I have other restrictions which prevent me from taking other services too, so i'm not a customer of UW. However, I know others who take full advantage of their services and they are seemingly satisfied. That's the important thing Cardew, not whether you think it's ok or not!

You are losing your 'cool' oh unbiased one!!

I thought you might be more original than follow Vinny and the Troll's line of attempting to smear the messenger!!;)

I am merely pointing out facts - that can be verified from any independent source.

Doesn't matter what I 'think' it is facts that speak for themselves!

UW gas and electricity is just about the most expensive in UK and £hundreds more than the cheapest tariff - generally around 30%.

That fact can be confirmed by checking the tariffs in any comparison website or by comparing the tariffs yourself.

There is no need to listen to either side of the argument on this thread, just confirm the facts with any independent source..

Cardew

vinnyph wrote: »

The whole point is that your Cardew fact has already been proved wrong.

Not my 'fact' Vinny.

I have suggested that anyone who doubts my 'fact' or your 'fact' goes to an independent source. Even WHICH say you are 20% more expensive - it is more like 30% actually as their comparison website shows - as does every other comparison website.

UW gas and electricity is just about the most expensive in UK and £hundreds more than the cheapest tariff - generally around 30%.

That fact can be confirmed by checking the tariffs in any comparison website or by comparing the tariffs yourself.

There is no need to listen to either side of the argument on this thread, just confirm the facts with any independent source.

kippen_noedel

vinnyph wrote: »

Christ himself accepted he is Son of God..

Actually what he said was "I am a man like all men, a son of God. whoever believes in one God above all men must accept they are born in the image of God and follow the path to salvation"

Why do you presume I wasn't looking for inspiration, it just shows you have a closed mind with no room for anything other than your small blinkered faith. You talk of doing good, you talk of forgiveness, you are all talk and no substance. Once again your true nature is revealed here.

vinnyph wrote: »

I was busy answering you, you atheist halfwit

Please remember pride is one of the worst kind of traits, let alone being a sin in your Fathers eyes.

Now once again, how can you justify, UW and it's very high energy prices. If yes, do you care to give me a quote for my bills, no-one else from UW has. All the information you need is in this thread.

Plushchris

vinnyph wrote: »

It doesn't need a consumer focus code of confidence logo because it is a rough general guide as stated on website. Is that spelled out to you enough now.

Yes, so in that respect the websites that DO have the Consumer focus code of confidence logo have it because they are an accurate guide, no?

They have to meet strict requirements enforced by consumer focus (was energywatch) so if you have a problem with how they present the results then why not take it up with consumer focus instead of whining about it on here?

vinnyph wrote: »

It's not a relevent question because UWDC customer take an average of about 4 services in order to get all the discounts. In any case that question has already been answered before as I stated. You are not bringing anything new that hasn't been answered before. I know you would like to just look at UWDC energy in isolation because you try to make them look more expensive than they really are.

They dont need me to do that, they do a good enough job themselves, just look at the unit rates.

Again you dont answer because a customer taking just gas and electricity (and there must be some if 4 services is the average) will not get any discounts (especially if they do not shop at Sainsburys)

vinnyph wrote: »

I also notice you avoided my question. Would you suggest I move away when I pay only £591? Would you think I would benefit if I moved my energy away form UWDC and so loose hundreds of pounds of discounts?

Yes, simples, go to a cheaper provider of gas and electricity and stay with them for phone/broadband getting the cashback off that instead.

vinnyph wrote: »

If you believe in God why be so against me answering a religious question when I am asked? Are you embarrassed to let people know you believe in God.

What I believe is totally irrelevant to the conversation, so is what you believe, look up there at the top of the page, it says "gas and electricity" and "Utility warehouse (telecom plus) discussion" not "Religeous discussion and general waffle"

vinnyph

Cardew wrote: »

Not my 'fact' Vinny.

I have suggested that anyone who doubts my 'fact' or your 'fact' goes to an independent source. Even WHICH say you are 20% more expensive - it is more like 30% actually as their comparison website shows - as does every other comparison website.

I notice again you ignore how much my energy with UWDC is. For my energy usage its one of the cheapest on those sites as I have proved in a previous post. As is the case with others. Rips shreds in you argument.

Your bolstered 'fact' about energy is just another one of your bluffs. It's easy to answer though and has been answered many times before. This is before the many discounts that the UWDC provide are added in. The comparison website don't include the UWDC discounts so distort what a UWDC customer will pay. So again you choose to ignore any discounts with UWDC when you compare.

With my discounts I get my broadband, telephone, line rental, gas, electricity for £591. You are paying somewhere around about 3 times that for your services.

Your advice you keep giving does not include the full picture.

I thought I would put some of those words in bold so you notice them cardew.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.