Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

NigeWick

Cardew wrote: »

What does it matter if I have a cashcard or not? How does that affect the very high gas and electricty prices UW charge?

It shows whether you practice what you preach or not. You continually state that Utility Warehouse has high prices as though nobody can benefit by being with the company. I have shown in this thread that I pay Utility Warehouse less for my electricity and gas than I would with any other company or combination of companies, using the pre payment card. Carmine has also shown how he gets an excellent deal too, and, he originally had no vested interest as I do.

The bottom line is the bottom line where costs are concerned. Some people will not benefit by being with Utility Warehouse. People who fit certain criteria, especially those who can use the pre payment card to good effect will benefit.

I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

Cardew

NigeWick wrote: »

It shows whether you practice what you preach or not. You continually state that Utility Warehouse has high prices as though nobody can benefit by being with the company. I have shown in this thread that I pay Utility Warehouse less for my electricity and gas than I would with any other company or combination of companies, using the pre payment card. Carmine has also shown how he gets an excellent deal too, and, he originally had no vested interest as I do.

The bottom line is the bottom line where costs are concerned. Some people will not benefit by being with Utility Warehouse. People who fit certain criteria, especially those who can use the pre payment card to good effect will benefit.

I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

NigeWick.

Whilst the comments of carespress are to be expected, I really cannot understand your logic!

It doesn't matter, in any shape or form, what cashcard I, or anyone else for that matter, use.

If I were criticising the UW cashcard or comparing it badly with the card I use, then it is perfectly valid to raise the matter.

I am stating that UW have just about the highest gas and electricity prices in UK. Now if that statement is inaccurate – then challenge it.

It has been readily conceded that if you shop at the establishments that accept the UW card, and are prepared to put money on your card in advance, then you can get attractive discounts off your bills.

My point of mentioning other cards was that you can get ‘true’ cashback cards that do give much smaller discounts than the UW card, so reduce the advantage of the UW card from the claimed 5%

My other point, as you well appreciate, that if you want the UW cashcard you don’t have to get the very expensive gas and electricity from UW and pay £hundreds extra. You can get the card with, say, the Broadband/phone package. Whilst this is not the cheapest package, it is at least reasonably competitive.

It is crass stupidity to attack Kippen on this thread(but expected from the individual concerned) because he is perceived to be well off. Or implying that I am not qualified to comment on a cashcard as I haven’t declared what card I use.

Where I Bank, where I shop, what cars I drive, what airline I use, what property I own, what shares I buy, where my kids are educated, where I holiday etc etc have no relevance to any discussion on a gas and electricity forum. I am more than happy to discuss in great detail UW gas and electricity prices against my chosen tariff(and explain why UW would charge about £800pa more than I pay.

Your posts as a UW salesman are all in the same disingenuous vein, carefully worded to imply that UW gas and electricity prices are reasonable for some people. Well you know, and I know, they ain’t!! They are hugely expensive – even your beloved and frequently misquoted 'Which' state they are 20% more than the cheapest – and that is out of date for the majority of people as it is nearer 30%.

So how about a discussion strictly on UW gas and electricity prices – or shouldn’t that be raised on a gas and electricity forum.

bighelpinghands

Cardew wrote: »

NigeWick.

Whilst the comments of carespress are to be expected, I really cannot understand your logic!

It doesn't matter, in any shape or form, what cashcard I, or anyone else for that matter, use.

If I were criticising the UW cashcard or comparing it badly with the card I use, then it is perfectly valid to raise the matter.

I am stating that UW have just about the highest gas and electricity prices in UK. Now if that statement is inaccurate – then challenge it.

It has been readily conceded that if you shop at the establishments that accept the UW card, and are prepared to put money on your card in advance, then you can get attractive discounts off your bills.

My point of mentioning other cards was that you can get ‘true’ cashback cards that do give much smaller discounts than the UW card, so reduce the advantage of the UW card from the claimed 5%

My other point, as you well appreciate, that if you want the UW cashcard you don’t have to get the very expensive gas and electricity from UW and pay £hundreds extra. You can get the card with, say, the Broadband/phone package. Whilst this is not the cheapest package, it is at least reasonably competitive.

It is crass stupidity to attack Kippen on this thread(but expected from the individual concerned) because he is perceived to be well off. Or implying that I am not qualified to comment on a cashcard as I haven’t declared what card I use.

Where I Bank, where I shop, what cars I drive, what airline I use, what property I own, what shares I buy, where my kids are educated, where I holiday etc etc have no relevance to any discussion on a gas and electricity forum. I am more than happy to discuss in great detail UW gas and electricity prices against my chosen tariff(and explain why UW would charge about £800pa more than I pay.

Your posts as a UW salesman are all in the same disingenuous vein, carefully worded to imply that UW gas and electricity prices are reasonable for some people. Well you know, and I know, they ain’t!! They are hugely expensive – even your beloved and frequently misquoted 'Which' state they are 20% more than the cheapest – and that is out of date for the majority of people as it is nearer 30%.

So how about a discussion strictly on UW gas and electricity prices – or shouldn’t that be raised on a gas and electricity forum.

Hi, I am also a UW distributor. Just qualified as QE. I think I should tell you and anyone whom comes to this forum that UW has a trible valume gurantee on Gas and Electricity prices. It has nothing to do with the 5% cash back card although the cash back card is an extra bonus for UW customers. I have a girl friend, she shops at many shops, such as newlook, river island, debenhams---, with the cashback card, I can save 5% on what she buys. Have you got my point yet? if not then keep reading on. In some places, sainsbury is the only supermarket available, meaning that people live in that area can only shop at Sainsbury's or shop at local shops. Further, some people only shop at Sainsbury's. To them, the cashback card clearly is a very good tool to save some money.
Ok, the trible valume guarantee. This is to guarantee that UW gas and electricity prices will always be cheaper than British Gas and the regional electricity supplier. for more details, you can ask other UW distributors.

Cardew

bighelpinghands wrote: »

Hi, I am also a UW distributor. Just qualified as QE. I think I should tell you and anyone whom comes to this forum that UW has a trible valume gurantee on Gas and Electricity prices. .

Welcome to the forum!

We are all aware of the TVG(at least you have the initials correct!)

Don't know what qualified as a QE means, but I suspect you have paid your £200 to join the other 31,805 UW IDs.

The more experienced UW distributers don't mention the TVG as they know just how useless and discredited is the guarantee.

What it means is that UW pick BG's standard gas tariff, and the standard electricity tariff of the local supplier - which has to be the most expensive. They exclude

1. Any internet tariffs.

2. Any discounts offered by those companies

3. The UW monthly membership fee.

The result is that UW TVG guarantees that UW's prices will be just about the most expensive in UK.

Typically there are 70+ tariffs listed in most of the Comparison websites and UW prices are normally in about 65th position and 25% to 30% more expensive than the cheapest.

Now that is an absolute fact - absolutely provable.

If you care to post your gas and electricity consumption in kWh and area you live, we will gladly show you just how much cheaper you can get your gas and electricity.

Then you will be able to give the good news to all your family and friends who you are supposed to recruit.

P.S.
Love your other posts - we call it spam. However you are not alone!!

Mike_by_the_Sea

bighelpinghands wrote: »

Hi, I am also a UW distributor. Just qualified as QE. I think I should tell you and anyone whom comes to this forum that UW has a triple valume gurantee on Gas and Electricity prices. It has nothing to do with the 5% cash back card although the cash back card is an extra bonus for UW customers. I have a girl friend, she shops at many shops, such as newlook, river island, debenhams---, with the cashback card, I can save 5% on what she buys. Have you got my point yet? if not then keep reading on. In some places, sainsbury is the only supermarket available, meaning that people live in that area can only shop at Sainsbury's or shop at local shops. Further, some people only shop at Sainsbury's. To them, the cashback card clearly is a very good tool to save some money.
Ok, the triple value guarantee. This is to guarantee that UW gas and electricity prices will always be cheaper than British Gas and the regional electricity supplier. for more details, you can ask other UW distributors.

Hi bhh, again

The Triple Value Guarantee has been "discussed" at length on this thread and the views expressed are, in the main, disparaging. Rather than resurrect the topic again, I suggest that you have a look back through the thread.

All the best

Mike

PS I am a UW ID

PPS Apologies Cardew, you got in first.

jellygoodfellow

Cardew wrote: »

Don't know what qualified as a QE means

That he has done his basic training and has signed up at least 6 new customers.

Cardew

jellygoodfellow wrote: »

That he has done his basic training and has signed up at least 6 new customers.

Thank you! Says it all really!

QE = Qwolyfied Exekative?

NigeWick

Cardew wrote: »

It has been readily conceded that if you shop at the establishments that accept the UW card, and are prepared to put money on your card in advance, then you can get attractive discounts off your bills.

My other point, as you well appreciate, that if you want the UW cashcard you don’t have to get the very expensive gas and electricity from UW and pay £hundreds extra. You can get the card with, say, the Broadband/phone package. Whilst this is not the cheapest package, it is at least reasonably competitive.

Your posts as a UW salesman are all in the same disingenuous vein, carefully worded to imply that UW gas and electricity prices are reasonable for some people. Well you know, and I know, they ain’t!! They are hugely expensive – even your beloved and frequently misquoted 'Which' state they are 20% more than the cheapest – and that is out of date for the majority of people as it is nearer 30%.

So how about a discussion strictly on UW gas and electricity prices – or shouldn’t that be raised on a gas and electricity forum.

Many people can pay less than they do now by switching to Utility Warehouse for their gas and electricity because they are on the highest tariffs from other companies. By coincidence, those high priced companies also offer some of the lowest tariffs. Why do they not automatically switch customers to those cheaper priced services? Because they are in business to make a profit. Utility Warehouse is definitely out to make a profit and have found a way for shareholders, distributors and customers to get an excellent deal.

Many people just can not be bothered to keep shopping around for "the cheapest" of the moment every few months. In fact there are perhaps millions who will never swap from those most expensive tariffs because "I am happy with what I've got" or "I can't be bothered with all that paperwork." Utility Warehouse can work out the perfect answer if people happen to use the stores that are serviced by the pre payment card. In fact, a while ago this overall deal was so good that a self confessed rate tart decided it was just what he wanted at that time. Whether he stays with the company will depend on him continuing to get, what is for him in his personal circumstances, best value. The company is obviously not for you, and, many more people. But, it does suit me and can provide what others want.

I understand that Utility Warehouse will not suit you. What I do not understand is your refusal to accept that it may suit others who have different requirements to yours.

I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

Cardew

NigeWick wrote: »

Many people can pay less than they do now by switching to Utility Warehouse for their gas and electricity because they are on the highest tariffs from other companies.


I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

The above demonstrates what is so infuriating about your disingenous posts.

That quote is clearly designed to convey the impression that UW can be cheaper than some companies. - a close run thing!!

Yet as you and I both know, UW are without doubt just about the most expensive company for gas and electricity in UK.

I have just gone on Energyhelpline and entered the UK average consumption(20,500kWh gas and 3,300kWh electricity) paying by Direct Debit for my area.

That comparison website lists 80 tariffs.

The cheapest is £902 and the 3 UW tariffs are in 72nd, 73rd and 77th position.( the other 5 more expensive tariffs are all 'Green' tariffs)

The cheapest UW tariff is £1,199 so £297 or 32.9% more expensive.

That is the reality of UW pricing and no amount of obfuscation by UW salesmen can avoid those facts.

Mike_by_the_Sea

Cardew wrote: »

The above demonstrates what is so infuriating about your disingenous posts.

That quote is clearly designed to convey the impression that UW can be cheaper than some companies. - a close run thing!!

Yet as you and I both know, UW are without doubt just about the most expensive company for gas and electricity in UK.

I have just gone on Energyhelpline and entered the UK average consumption(20,500kWh gas and 3,300kWh electricity) paying by Direct Debit for my area.

That comparison website lists 80 tariffs.

The cheapest is £902 and the 3 UW tariffs are in 72nd, 73rd and 77th position.( the other 5 more expensive tariffs are all 'Green' tariffs)

The cheapest UW tariff is £1,199 so £297 or 32.9% more expensive.

That is the reality of UW pricing and no amount of obfuscation by UW salesmen can avoid those facts.

Hi Cardew

As usual, a very interesting post with lots of "evidence" of potential savings. However, you failed to refute the point that Nige was making.

To what extent can you "evidentially" respond to his suggestion that UW can be cheaper, although maybe not the cheapest, even if you only take gas and electricity into the equation.

If you compare the emcumbent providers on standard tariffs using the UK average consumption and paying by direct debit with the UW offer for my area, UW would cost £1,173 (including membership and excluding the £100 opportunity) compared with £1,185 - a minimum saving of £12. Not a lot, you might say, but with the opportunity to add further savings on telephony, broadband, mobiles and the wonderful discount card, the savings could be significant.

In summary, Nige makes a valid argument which you choose to ignore.

All the best

Mike