Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Edinburghlass_2

and your first post states what a good living you make from it....

redarrow wrote: »

This is my first ever post on this website which I came across by chance, but I couldn't resist some input here. In answer to your question Maka, Yes, you can make a very good income as a U.W. distributor, but as has been said many times, it does depend on the effort you put in.
I have been a distributor for 6 years and have been very p/t except for the odd month here and there. I am now able to live abroad most of the year and still receive a monthly income which covers most of my expenses. When I joined I didn't think it was going to be a viable business and I almost gave up on a number of occasions, I am truly glad I didn't! I earn a reasonable income which could have been a fantastic income if I had only done more.

What have you got to lose? £200? Not any more. If you gather just one customer a week for 12 weeks you get a full refund which means you are effectively joining for free and earning from day one.

I don't understand why anyone would want to join a business and be satisfied with just one customer, unless they are paying enough to cover a mortgage or pay for a holiday!

Cardew

redarrow wrote: »

To imply all UW distributors give unbiased opinions is a somewhat unfair statement.

I totally agree!
In fact I would go further than that and say it rarely happens!!!

However, the UW have received numerous endorsements over the years, most recently from the "Which" consumer mag whose readers rated us No 1 for customer service & satisfaction as well as "best value" energy provider.

More UW rubbish! 'Which' didn't rate any Utility company. They had a poll which anyone could enter.

UW were completely over-represented in the poll, which of course was not random, but UW distributors could vote and give their "unbiased opinions"

Read above about the unrepresentative poll.

redarrow_2

Hi Cardew, I don't want to get into an argument here but I have to say that on this occasion you are wrong regarding the "Which" report.

More UW rubbish! 'Which' didn't rate any Utility company. They had a poll which anyone could enter.

UW were completely over-represented in the poll, which of course was not random, but UW distributors could vote and give their "unbiased opinions"
In fact "Which" mailed out 16000 random surveys to their readers regarding their gas & electricity providers and it was not possible for just anyone to write in.
The "Which" was just one report though. In recent years (showing consistency) UW were rated by independent research conducted by the Daily Mail and the Telegraph newspapers. I don't believe these were polls but their own research.

Regarding UW distributors giving unbiased opinions you now say you agree that "it rarely happens," which is great, though I do wonder then why you said earlier

so you are hardly going to get an unbiased opinion from these salesmen. !!!

You are correct though when you say UW don't compete with internet tarriffs.

Cardew

redarrow wrote: »

Regarding UW distributors giving unbiased opinions you now say you agree that "it rarely happens," which is great, though I do wonder then why you said earlier

so you are hardly going to get an unbiased opinion from these salesmen. !!!

You are correct though when you say UW don't compete with internet tarriffs.

I suggest you read your post #831 again carefully!

You stated "To imply all UW distributors give unbiased opinions is a somewhat unfair statement."

I agreed with that statement!!! which is not in conflict with the quote of mine you have put in red above..

Think about it!! Indeed think about 'double negatives';)

If the penny hasn't dropped, come back to me and I will explain it carefully!

redarrow_2

Hi Cardew, I only said I didn't understand why you made the original statement which suggested "distributors in general" when you later said "hardly any" but hey, you looked at it one way and I looked at it another way. Certainly no need for the sarcasm

If the penny hasn't dropped, come back to me and I will explain it carefully!

Anyway, pleased you didn't dispute the important issue here, namely that the "Which report" was,you said, biased because it was not random!

Cardew

redarrow wrote: »

Hi Cardew, I only said I didn't understand why you made the original statement which suggested "distributors in general" when you later said "hardly any" but hey, you looked at it one way and I looked at it another way. Certainly no need for the sarcasm

If the penny hasn't dropped, come back to me and I will explain it carefully!

Anyway, pleased you didn't dispute the important issue here, namely that the "Which report" was,you said, biased because it was not random!

It wasn't sarcasm, it was an attempt at humour;) which is why I put several explanation marks!!!!!

I am still not sure though that you understand my point?

I assume you meant to say:

To imply all UW distributors give biased opinions is a somewhat unfair statement.

Stating
"To imply all UW distributors give unbiased opinions is a somewhat unfair statement." did rather change the meaning!!!!

As for the 'Which' poll I put my reasons above.

In a now deleted thread a UW rep gave the details of numbers of votes etc. IIRC Which asked for people to go on a panel as they normally would.

Now nobody could possibly argue that with the sales structure of UW there are a great many distributors, and their families, who have a huge vested interest in voting for UW. Indeed a good result can materially affect their income – a powerful incentive!

It is perhaps indicative that the percentage of UW ‘customers’ voting was over 300% more than would be expected from their share of the market!

If you believe any such poll is representative, then carry on believing!

Maz

I quote from the October edition of Which?, stating 'Between May and June 2008, we sent 16,002 members of the Which? online panel a survey about their gas and electricity supplier. We received 8,694 responses - 4,241 for gas and 4,453 for electricity. As all of the suppliers featured supply both gas and electricity, we have combined their scores in the results table'.

Results table is as follows - (quoting from the Which? magazine again, please feel free to check it out)

UW (117 responses) - first place.
SSE (1869 responses) - second place
Scot, Power (1133 responses) - third place
Eon - (1635 responses) -fourth place
EDF - (891 responses) - fifth place
B. Gas - (1785 responses) - sixth place
NPower - (854 response) -seventh place

Sample size is in brackets.

As you can see, SSE had the most replies (1869) and gained second position. British Gas had 1785 replies and only managed to gain 6th place. Eon had 1635 replies and ended up 4th. UW had 117 replies and came out top, across the board. How many BG/SSE employees read Which? How many UW reps subscribe to Which?? This was a random poll conducted over online subscribers.

Cardew and some other forum members make no secret about their irrational hatred of UW and deliberately set out to (dare I say it) mis lead people away from this company when it might just be the best option for most people.

Cardew himself admits to residing outside this country for several months of the year yet replies, almost professionally, to enquiries on this forum to people, despite him declaring having no conection with the energy industry. Or at least, certain companies within that industry.

His and some other peoples' hysterical rantings and 'hole picking' doesn't serve anyone. Maybe he has an ego problem, who knows?

KimYeovil

Maz wrote: »

…when it might just be the best option for most people.

Yet another questionable, if not downright fraudulent, arithmetically impossible claim from an UW shill.

redarrow_2

OK Cardew, you got me there! To imply all UW distributors give unbiased opinions is a somewhat unfair statement." did rather change the meaning!!!! Yoa are right although I think we both knew what was meant.

Anyway, I think we have exhausted the "Which" argument for now, we are obviously not going to agree. But the same argument surely can't apply to the numerous newspaper articles, unless of course their researchers are all UW distributors, which I doubt.

Maz

No it isn't. It's just a 'look and see', it might be what you want to do.

KY, you're starting to sound like like an 'I don't care what you want, this is what you're going to have because I don't approve' kind of person. Big ego! Not nice ! You sound like the worst kind of door knocker!

UW is an alternative. If peope like it they'll do it, if they don't like it, they won't.You can't force somebody to do this, it has to be their choice and their signature on the form, not some kind of telephone cal whrebey you basically give faulse information. Don't give me all that s**t about 'friends and famiilies', anybody who has half a brain knows that this doesn't happen! Maybe you need to do some research on this. We are not in the business of 'conning' people, we are in the business of saying, this is what we do, this is what we offer, if you want to do this that's OK, if you don't that's OK too .


What's your problem? Nobody's forcing anybody do something they don't like.

By the way, how is this an arithmetically impossibale claim if all I'm doing is quoting from the Which? magazines' own results? I imagine you're hoping that moist of MSE forum members are NOT subscribers to said magazine. You're a joke.