Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

chrisclipson

NigeWick wrote: »

And you dislike the sort of "pyramid' where your rewards could be greater than if you work as hard at a "usual pyramid"?

Yes, I dislike it when the basis of the rewards you get is money siphoned off from (often) vulnerable people including your friends and relatives, using dodgy sales techniques like pretending to do surveys/research. Why else would true pyramid selling (very similar to the UW method though admittedly just different enough to be lawful) have been made illegal in the first place?

keggs

At the risk of being accused of coming back again, I have no intention any longer of discussing the merits or none of the services offered by UW - I'll leave that to my colleagues.

Instead I want to ask a very simple question to the likes of chrisclipson and all the other anti UW and anti network / referral marketing companies out there. By the way Coca Cola uses Network marketing for some of its products.

Incidentally chrisclipson it might surprise you but the way the network works is based on socialist principles and not capitalism. Take your blinkers off and you might just understand why. But it can also give something to people who do believe in capitalism. It satisfies both.

The question is: There is only ONE difference but a very significant difference between a so called traditional business and a network marketing business. What is it?

kippen_noedel

keggs wrote: »

the way the network works is based on socialist principles and not capitalism.

Sorry dude but that requires ROTFLMAO

if a return on equity of 42.2% = socialist principles, then Marx had it all wrong.

1carminestocky

I feel I must post again my propsed deal with UW for the 'new' posters who may have missed it earlier. I would be most grateful if any of you could get me a cheaper deal. I note some of you work in 'the industry' so you really do seem like my last chance...

Gas 15000
Electric 4800
Phone line Rental
Up to 24mb broadband
40gb monthly download allowance (I note that Sky have reduced their Mid BB package's download allowance from this figure to 10gb!!)
Free router (they apparently want this back if I ever leave the service)
24/7 inclusive calls to 01, 02, 03, 0845, 0870, plus 10 of the most popular international destinations
Silver club membership fee (this gives £10,000 accidental death insurance and, hopefully more importantly free calls to UW's CS and BB helpline!)
100% UK-based call centre (let's be honest, if it wasn't for fear of being called racist, wouldn't more people be willing to admit that the Indian call centres are a disaster for the punter but obviously lovely for the company's balance sheet?)
Prospero Discount Mag (note to Cardew, this can be discounted in any alternative deal and isn't a deal breaker, lol, so no silly claims about this)
Monthly, fully itemised paper bill detailing all the services I take.
One direct debit no matter how many services I take.
No minimum contracts on any of the services (subject to a £50 admin/exit fee should you leave the broadband within the first 12 months)
Cashback pre-payment card.
Option to derive further discounts by recommending friends who will benefit as much as us from this deal (there are some that will get an even better deal!). This can be as much as 100% discount (not including club fees)
Have I missed anything/got anything wrong?

Based on our current level of spending at the retailers included in the cashback card's '5% list' we spend £500 per month (this will increase a lot leading up to Xmas, plus there's a possibility of major electrical purchases during the year but we'll leave it at a conservative £500 per month). That currently equates to a monthly discount off the UW bill of £25 gross, £23.65 net.

Yearly cost to us for all this = £1104. £92 per month.

Cheapest deal for our gas and leccy is currently BG Websaver 3 at £975. That means we have to get the phone line, broadband and 24/7 inclusive calls for £128. Can it be done??

keggs

kippen_noedel wrote: »

Sorry dude but that requires ROTFLMAO

if a return on equity of 42.2% = socialist principles, then Marx had it all wrong.

Incorrect

Can you answer my question?

keggs

Marx did have it wrong. Nor was Marx a socialist.

Gerrard_8_lfc

1carminestocky wrote: »

Does your aunt have a Homecare product?

Nope she has private property maintanence

As for the hypocritical view on myself I told my views on UW and what they said to me what was laughable.

Going back to your sources reviews of "expensive" Homecare you get what you pay for sure there are cheaper alternatives out there just not with the same T&Cs :rolleyes:

1carminestocky

Gerrard_8_lfc wrote: »

Nope she has private property maintanence

As for the hypocritical view on myself I told my views on UW and what they said to me what was laughable.

Going back to your sources reviews of "expensive" Homecare you get what you pay for sure there are cheaper alternatives out there just not with the same T&Cs :rolleyes:

Maybe UW customers are of the same opinion? Certainly there are initiatives they offer that if taken up can result in the cheapest deal on the market regardless of perceived 'extras' (unless you can get me a better deal as quoted in my post above?). Does BGs Homecare products have similar initiatives? . And I'm sure what some of the BG Homecare salespeople tell their prospective customers some would regard as laughable. People in glass houses and all that....

Here's what Which? say about BG Homecare 400, for instance:

This policy is very expensive and British Gas scored below average for customer care

British Gas has by far the most customers in the boiler servicing market. However, it is not the top performer in our customer satisfaction survey, scoring 57%.

The company did well for the friendliness of its engineers and how quickly it responded to breakdowns. However, it was let down by below average scores for customer care, value for money and the perceived quality of annual service.

Brilliant value. Not.

chrisclipson

keggs wrote: »

The question is: There is only ONE difference but a very significant difference between a so called traditional business and a network marketing business. What is it?

Umm, let me think? Is it that traditional businesses advertise their products openly and let the general public decide whether they want to buy, whereas network marketing businesses take advantage of friendships and contacts, using the relationships as a way in?

keggs

Incorrect. Both do that. I advertsise openly and let people decide for themselves.

Try again