Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Quentin

arteta1878 wrote: »

Some of the stories about other utility providers are horrific!

I still need to point out though that by doing this I know for a fact that UW can save people money, and as this is a money saving forum that is still the key issue. There are dearer tariffs than UW's and that is undisputable, I have seen them with my own eyes.

This thread is dedicated to uw, not "other utility providers".

And there will be dearer tariffs than uw. But the idea of switching isn't to just move to a less dear tariff!

arteta1878

Quentin wrote: »

There will be dearer tariffs. But the idea of switching isn't to just move to a less dear tariff!

But Quentin, you keep parping on about expensive energy to me. I am saying to you that they are not the most expensive and they are also not the cheapest.

Once again the penny has dropped, you are clearly a wind up merchant.

Quentin

arteta1878 wrote:

There are dearer tariffs than UW's and that is undisputable

How does pointing out (on a money saving website) that a company rep boldly claiming his product is not the dearest on the market is not a good reason to switch to them warrant an abusive reply from the company rep?

1carminestocky

Like I have said before, the price shown beside UW on the switching sites is a starting price. It's entirely possible to get it down to easily the cheapest on the market (even online tariffs with no whiff of a paper bill and paper tariffs where you get just 2 bills per year) by embracing the initiatives they offer. NO OTHER energy supplier offers this. Plus, as a package of 4 services (gas, electric, phone/BB and 24/7 inclusive calls) it's very hard to beat on the *starting price* let alone after you've embraced those initiatives. Embrace the initiatives on this 'package' and it's absolutely unbeatable in the marketplace. It's not rocket science. Not for everybody, of course, but what is? Why the arguing? Like Quentin has stated, this is a MONEY SAVING site where some people go to extraordinary lengths to save money. I genuinely can't see what's wrong with what some UW customers do to get the best deal.

keggs

arteta1878 wrote: »

I still need to point out though that by doing this I know for a fact that UW can save people money, and as this is a money saving forum that is still the key issue. There are dearer tariffs than UW's and that is undisputable, I have seen them with my own eyes.

Hi Arteta

You are right in everything you say. Unfortunately, someone like Quentin will only accept something he 'believes to be true whether it is true or not. He is not interested in anyone but himself but like to pretend he's doing everyone a favour by pointing out that everything about the Utility Warehouse is evil and no good can come of it by people joining it.

I seem to remember the same thing happening to a man 2000 years ago in the middle east.

Just keep plugging away. You've got him on the run.

By the way. Just to point out the same thing has happened yet again. Quentin was asked to aplogise to Nigewick so he goes silent once again, waits for a fe posts hoping it has gone away.

Sorry, Nigewick wants an apology and I for one will not stop supporting his attempt to get one.

Best wishes
Steve
UW Distributors & Very Happy Customer

1carminestocky

Quentin wrote: »

This thread came about as a result of misleading claims/spamming by uw reps across the board.

Moneysavers have recently learnt more of the deceitful nature of the uw modus operandi thanks to seeing the various training/sales/rally videos.

And of course we also saw Mike by the Sea (uw rep) attempt to tell us the videos deceitful sales techniques were all unauthorised "private" videos (and not approved by the uw), which caused a public disagreement in the thead when keggs (uw rep) dived in to correct him, and tell us that all sales technique videos etc on the web have to be approved by uw!

This is of great value to anyone wanting to make a decision regarding whether or not to join the uw in any capacity!

And yet, judging by their recently published annual accounts, UW continue to attract new customers in record numbers. Your message is clearly not getting across. Maybe you are descended from King Canute, who knows? The energy industry is undoubtedly the most discredited industry in the UK, all companies have undesirable ways of marketing their products. You yourself admit by your regular switching that you are all about price and clearly don't care for morals (I can even quote one of your posts on MSE where you clearly admit that on a money saving site morals simply don't come into it). Either there are 2 people posting under your username or you are being incredibly hypocritical in this thread.

1carminestocky

Quentin wrote: »

This thread came about as a result of misleading claims/spamming by uw reps across the board.

Moneysavers have recently learnt more of the deceitful nature of the uw modus operandi thanks to seeing the various training/sales/rally videos.

And of course we also saw Mike by the Sea (uw rep) attempt to tell us the videos deceitful sales techniques were all unauthorised "private" videos (and not approved by the uw), which caused a public disagreement in the thead when keggs (uw rep) dived in to correct him, and tell us that all sales technique videos etc on the web have to be approved by uw!

This is of great value to anyone wanting to make a decision regarding whether or not to join the uw in any capacity!

And yet, judging by their recently published annual accounts, UW continue to attract new customers in record numbers (annual t/o up 49%, profits up 34%!). Your message is clearly not getting across. Maybe you are descended from King Canute, who knows? Or maybe you should adopt similar methods to Fathers for Justice to get more people seeing your message, dress up as a super hero and climb over the gates of Buck Palace or summat. The energy industry is undoubtedly the most discredited industry in the UK, all companies have undesirable ways of marketing their products. You yourself admit by your regular switching that you are all about price and clearly don't care for morals (I can even quote one of your posts on MSE where you clearly admit that on a money saving site morals simply don't come into it). Either there are 2 people posting under your username or you are being incredibly hypocritical in this thread.

arteta1878

Quentin wrote: »

How does pointing out (on a money saving website) that a company rep boldly claiming his product is not the dearest on the market is not a good reason to switch to them warrant an abusive reply from the company rep?

and now in coherent English please?

and who is being abusive again?

I am sorry, you want to argue for some reason but have no point at all. Nothing you are saying to me is even worth reading to be honest. Go back and read my posts, Cardew did and asked me a valid question to which I replied.

I think you have possibly dug that deep a hole for yourself that you cannot see over the top of it now, and just want to argue with anybody, even if your argument makes no sense! I hope you do not consider that to be abusive, I wouldn't want your feelings hurt again

All I have stated all along is

1. I have customers who were on dearer tariffs for gas and electric, and it is only by looking at peoples bills will you find this. By switching to UW they have switched to a cheaper tariff - FACT

2. This is not the case for every customer I have seen.

3. The real savings to be made are with the full range of services (which you try to discredit for some reason).

My advice to anybody would be to ignore the attempted discrediting by people, look at the figues and facts and make your own minds up. The Victor Melldrews of this world will always find fault in something, but until you look at something properly you cannot say you are making a valued judgement.

As for what has gone on here before I neither care nor want to care about. The cold facts are that Which? Magazine voted UW the best value for energy twice in recent months. But if you look at it and think it is not for you then thats not a problem for anybody.

As for people saying about having problems with UW, show me a company that does not have dis-satisfied customers, it happens all the time and is just unfortunate.

NigeWick

Quentin wrote: »

Moneysavers have recently learnt more of the deceitful nature of the uw modus operandi thanks to seeing the various training/sales/rally videos.

I refer you to your previously posted comment about me "Nigewick, you used to boast you are an ex-copper.

Is this how you used to stitch people up?"

Do you still say that you stand by this quote stating that I committed criminal offences when a Police Officer or will you apologise? Should money savers wish to see deceit in action, they just have to observe the lies you tell.

I am an Independent Distributor with Utility Warehouse and any opinions expressed here are my own and may not be shared by the company.

Quentin

arteta1878 wrote: »

The cold facts are that Which? Magazine voted UW the best value for energy twice in recent months.

More misleading info from a uw rep.

The Which surveys were completed by the customers of the energy companies (not by Which).

Only 90 surveys (one for each fuel used, so sample size could be as low as 45) were sent in by uw customers (how many were reps?)

(And using Which in your advertising breaks their rules!)

For independent views of uw (where you can easily spot those completed by the uw reps) see here (sort by "date descending" to see the most recent:

http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews-all-87791.html