Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Quentin

Decado23 wrote: »

from energyhelpline:
"Direct Debit discount of £21 per year for gas and £21 for electricity. Dual fuel discount of £63 per year. Total discount of £105 per year. "

Please check your sources before making accusations.

Your post said:

I also notice the £119 saving includes £100 of discount I'll lose if I switch before 12 full months

I corrected this to point out only the £21 per fuel dd discount is paid annually.

So how do you work out that £42 (ie 2 dd discounts) = the £100 you told us you would "lose" if you switched before 12 months?

Decado23

Decado23 wrote: »

from energyhelpline:
"Direct Debit discount of £21 per year for gas and £21 for electricity. Dual fuel discount of £63 per year. Total discount of £105 per year. "

from npower http://www.npower.com/web/At_home/electricity_and_gas/prices_and_discounts/Discounts/index.htm

Monthly
Direct DebitElectricity & gas£100Monthly
Direct DebitElectricity£20Monthly
Direct DebitGas£20




Please check your sources before making accusations.


UW distributor

Please see above

1carminestocky

Decado23 wrote: »

yes, thanks for reminding me. An apology for the accusation of misleading info etc wouldn't go amiss either! (is it getting chilly in hell yet?):rotfl:




UW distributor

:rotfl: Keep at him, he will now try to get the post to disappear off the page by posting un-related claptrap. Think Paxman-like and don't let him wriggle out of this one.

Decado23

1carminestocky wrote: »

:rotfl: Keep at him, he will now try to get the post to disappear off the page by posting un-related claptrap. Think Paxman-like and don't let him wriggle out of this one.

Or I could just report for slander (or is it libel? i can never remember)...

"Your (deliberately) misleading post said:"





UW distributor

Quentin

Decado23 wrote: »

I still don't get how the commission structure is relevent.

I've explained.

Read the thread.

Its relevance was in pointing out vinny is not wasting his many talents on just being a utility salesman.

He also is using them to do martini presentations and recruit like minds into his team!

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

I've explained.

Read the thread.

Its relevance was in pointing out vinny is not wasting his many talents on just being a utility salesman.

He also is using them to do martini presentations and recruit like minds into his team!

Fair enough, but I still reckon the average consumer would greet that info with a big fat "so what?"


Any apology for your false accusation in the works?



UW distributor

vinnyph

Cardew wrote: »

Vinnyph,
You have informed us about your physical stature, high IQ, wonderful demeanour, exalted position in the company, previous professions, religious principles, charitable work etc.

Now I am sure many of us are impressed, and no doubt, as you say, your self proclaimed qualities “ scares people and they feel inadequate”.

It seems that psychiatry is also in your repertoire of skills.

You appear to have taken David Brent from ‘The Office’ as your role model.

Now you sell energy and telecoms – correct? Your talents are wasted!

Not really. I have helped build a successful business over the years and formed a financially secure income. That has been recently voted company of the year in the Plc awards. There are a great many intelligent highly skilled individuals like me in UW. UW isn't a problem. The problem is this world has changed over the last few years. The opportunities have changed. There is not so much call for Physicists. Engineering is a joke nowadays in this country.

In fact though I haven't worked with a better company. I am actually glad I have done this business. I get a good feeling when someone recommends one of their friends. I feel good helping people. I like to give good value

In terms of Physicists, didn't Einstein spend his early career working on the general theory of relativity only to discover later that it would be used to make a nuclear bomb. He then spent the rest of his life trying to help put things right and stop the nuclear bombs being built. His motivation was to help people. I am too old to work on physics now. The great brainstorming ideas come when you are young. Engineering is on its way out. There isn't much left here in the UK. Now I could either be despondent about the situation or put my creativity into something else. Actually I find it quite rewarding, saving people money and simply helping people get a good service. I won't be poor when I retire either and so won't be a burden on the tax payer. So that helps the country as well. Who was it once said, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

From a mathematical perspective, statistically speaking, you are out voted 280,000 to 1 in terms of whether UW is good.

Now I think the reason you don't like it is your perception of it. I think you see the door knockers from the other big 6 energy companies and the many other tactics used by those companies and presume that is the way UW works. Just because the rest of the industry is not getting good reviews and press doesn't mean you have to tar UW with the same brush. People are pleasantly surprised when they become customers because of the service they get and the bill at the end of the month that they actually pay is good value overall. A breath of fresh air compared to the rat race outside. Many like me are a customer for a good while before deciding to become a distributor. In fact I wished I had become a distributor earlier. Back in 1998 I heard about it and dismissed it outright thinking it would not work. I thought there must have been something wrong with it. It took a few years to realise there wasn't.

Now I am happy doing what I am doing. I like others being happy as well. I don't know what it is but you don't seem very happy.

Now you tell me my talents are wasted, but you have been on this site almost every day for a few years trying to say UW are not good. It seems that UW keep growing and getting better all the time. It seems that your efforts have been wasted.

Cardew

Decado23 wrote: »

If each of the 4 get at least 12 customers, and there's a total of 50 or more in the group, and all this is achieved within 60 days of him first signing up, then yes, he could get a grand in bonuses.

I still don't get how the commission structure is relevent.


UW Distributor

So you are now saying Quentin is correct or not?

I can fully understand how mortified any UW distributor would be if any misleading information were to be put in this thread;)

Anyway I tend to agree with you that the commision structure itself is not important to prospective customers.

However the relevance is that the lure of commission is the primary reason why UW distributors are prepared to sign up family and friends to tariffs that they know full well are far more expensive than available elsewhere.

Whilst many of us would be unable to 'look our family and friends in the eye' if we adopted this practice, I am well aware that other people have no such qualms.

What the anti-UW brigade object to is that you use this forum to defend your pricing structure in the most disingenuous manner and attempt to recruit new customers to overpriced tariffs.

I am surprised that the UW hierarchy don't actively discourage their distributors from participating in this forum as the flaws in UW marketing are laid bare for all to see; surely an 'Own Goal'

Do you really feel that the rambling contributions of vinnyph will attract customers? Or that they won't see that the fiercest critic of all utility companies -carmine- is attempting to reinvent himself because he apparently intends to become a UW distributor.

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

I note you missed out what your deliberately mileading post said:



I have posted why it is misleading.

Their annual discount is for the £21 direct debit discount per fuel - maximum £42. The other dual fuel discount you mention (the £63) gets paid monthly.

from the npower page I linked above-

*After you’ve been with npower and paid by monthly Direct Debit without a break for 12 months, you’ll receive a discount off your energy bill. Stay with us and continue to pay in this way and you’ll get a £100 annual discount if you buy both electricity and gas, or £20 if you buy just one fuel. Our new, higher discount applies from 01/09/08.



please highlight the part where it mentions any discount paid monthly. And prove I knew about it (you did specify 'intentionally')



UW distributor

Decado23

Cardew wrote: »

However the relevance is that the lure of commission is the primary reason why UW distributors are prepared to sign up family and friends to tariffs that they know full well are far more expensive than available elsewhere.

Except for the fact that any customer gathering bonuses are lost if the customer cancels within 3 months of signing up (no minimum contract term for most UW services).

can we assume sales people from the big 6 suppliers get comission? We know comparison sites get comission. Even this site gets comission from links with *

of course, we don't know how much comission all of the above get, nor do we really care as long as the information they give is correct. It seems to me that UW detractors on this site give an unhealthy level of scrutiny to UW, so I ask again - name a supplier that gives a better overall package of services and benefits than UW.



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