Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

keggs

I'd suggest getting your facts straight instead of twisting them to suit your own purposes. Remember - I've been a customer for 12 years. Yes 12 years. Hard to believe Quentin. If I was so unhappy why am I still a member?

Don't use the word gullible, it's over used.

Your arguments are more childish now than when I first joined this ridiculous forum.

Why do I bother, I keep asking myself. Perhaps it's to have a bit of fun at your expense.

Mike_by_the_Sea

Quentin wrote: »

But your examples are misleading - they aren't correct, in that you don't get the high levels you claim just by using the cashback site.

In fact the uw pays nil cashback for grocery shopping at sainsburys. You only get the 5% if you pay with the risky uw prepayment card!

All your other examples are similarly flawed - 5% of the cashback actually only coming if you have a uw prepay card (and you aren't taking into account the extra costs of that card either!)

So you mislead by combining discount schemes, quoting the discounts gross (without mentioning charges), and ignoring all the uw hoops involved!

Still a gullible would be taken in, especially if being told all this by their friendly brother in law who is the family uw rep!

You can pick away at anything, but the position still remains that a moneysaver still has the option to save more money if they shop around and look at all available deals, not just cherry picking the ones that match your flawed argument.

To respond, reluctantly, to your desperate attempts to downplay the opportunities. Firstly, I didn't claim that the savings are just from the cashback site. The clue is in the words "cashback site/card". I am interested in whether I will pay less overall for my purchases rather than the method by which I receive the benefit. The cost of having a UW card is miniscule in relation to the savings I can make on an annual basis by using it discretionally for my shopping needs.

For example, if I was to spend £2400 a year with Sainburys on groceries and £1200 on fuel, my savings would be £180 a year. The "cost" of the card, as you know, is probably around £20 a year.

Again, if I was to then spend £1000 at Argos, I would get 5%, compared with a best of 3% from MSE Maximiser, another £20 saving.

As a moneysaving site, it is missing an opportunity to highlight other ways of saving more money, I assume due to a reluctance to accept that there are any merits of having a UW card. Disappointing, to say the least.

Hopefully there are some MSE'ers that can see through the smokescreen and make their own mind up about money saving opportunities.

Mike

PS I am an ID with UW

Quentin

Mike_by_the_Sea wrote: »

As a moneysaving site, it is missing an opportunity to highlight other ways of saving more money, I assume due to a reluctance to accept that there are any merits of having a UW card. Disappointing, to say the least.

This has already been covered.

The risky uw card is for busy fools.

You don't get any "cashback", you have to use the card at uw shops, then any discount you accrue for spending there gets taken by the uw to pay your bills for their expensive products!

As has been mentioned many times, the card isn't a unique way of paying less at sainsburys etc, and the competition doesn't make you jump through the hoops, and lets you keep your discount for yourself to do with it what you want!

keggs

Quentin wrote: »

This has already been covered.

The risky uw card is for busy fools.

You don't get any "cashback", you have to use the card at uw shops, then any discount you accrue for spending there gets taken by the uw to pay your bills for their expensive products!

As has been mentioned many times, the card isn't a unique way of paying less at sainsburys etc, and the competition doesn't make you jump through the hoops, and lets you keep your discount for yourself to do with it what you want!

Fluff and bubble as per usual. Incredible.

Ascaron

Spoiler Alert - UW Distributor Here.

I joined this forum today as a bit of relief from a business forum I belong to. I've seen this thread as a lurker before I joined UW and took some of the points about them on board, both negative and positive. Came here today and posted elswhere on another subject and searched this one. I'm not on this forum to sell anything, I dont need to, my business is in another industry and that takes my time up with my paying customers. I do like a discussion and constructive argument, out of 520 pages 4/5 peoples names kept popping up, who have obviously been reprimanded from the mods, quite rightly too in my opinion. Castigating one company by constantly referring to comparison websites is not argument and is not discussion. People will go to and work for whatever comapny is going to be right for them. I will not discuss the scrupulous tactics of salesman as I abhor it in any industry and I get to see examples of it often being a business owner myself, the reps that come through my door.It would be interesting to hear what most of you do for a living here, in fact I might start that as another thread to get a broad view of who uses this forum. A post mentioned this forum is about moneysaving, I didnt get that impression from anything in this thread, it was proportionately about attacking one company negatively with one or two upholders, regardless of whether theyre UW distributors. I might add that MSE Mr Lewis is looked on as some god, I wouldnt hold that opinion about him but I'm sure his reputation could be seriously tarnished by some of the vitriolic and one sided posts.Ive been in the service industry for over 35yrs and know when bad service and bad advice is given.

As for moneysaving and value...Ive never walked past anybody who's shopping trolley in any supermarket has had nothing but value goods in them. Some people buy marmite from Tesco and some buy it from Harrods. You either want to be treated like a pauper or a king, your choice, no one forces you. I'm going back to my business forum , they talk sense there.

penrhyn

"I will not discuss the scrupulous tactics of salesman as I abhor it in any industry and I get to see examples of it often being a business owner myself, the reps that come through my door."

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Plushchris

Ascaron wrote: »

Spoiler Alert - UW Distributor Here.
Castigating one company by constantly referring to comparison websites is not argument and is not discussion.

You are correct, it is a factual comment.

We all know its pretty much rule no.1 for a distributer to rubbish comparison sites, wouldnt want people seeing how expensive UW are would you?

Mike_by_the_Sea

Quentin wrote: »

This has already been covered.

The risky uw card is for busy fools.

You don't get any "cashback", you have to use the card at uw shops, then any discount you accrue for spending there gets taken by the uw to pay your bills for their expensive products!

As has been mentioned many times, the card isn't a unique way of paying less at sainsburys etc, and the competition doesn't make you jump through the hoops, and lets you keep your discount for yourself to do with it what you want!

This is a disappointing response to a reasonable post. No mention of where these other "Sainsburys" discounts can be found, or the definition of a "uw shop".

It is a real shame that your posts are so one sided and that you have genuine problems with supporting or even accepting that there are certain circumstances where there are opportunities to save money.

As for saying that "the risky uw card is for busy fools", this really does epitomise a total disregard of anybody who has one. I am sure that there are many individuals that would find this comment disingenuous and insulting.

Mike

keggs

Quentin couldn't care less who he insults. He doesn't believe anyone has the right to choose. Or rather. Yes they can choose but they dare to choose the Utility warehouse then they are gullible fools. When challenged he has no answer.

Quentin

Mike_by_the_Sea wrote: »

I am sure that there are many individuals that would find this comment disingenuous and insulting.

Of course the use of that expression isn't intended to be insulting (do you think that everyone reading this thread is ignorant of the expression and what it means?)

Or are you just on the lookout for more non-abusive posts you can righteously report to MSE abuse as part of your "hidden agenda"?