wrote to my local mp about esa/atos

Lady_strange

fogartyblue. wrote: »

I don't know which MP you are talking about, but I think he is living in cuckoo land!!

For a start he cannot interfere with the due process of law. He can get involved if he thinks things have gone wrong.

As for the MP asking IDS to question if ATOS are performing as they should, I can imagine waht the reply will be - 'of course they are'.

Don't get too excited about bringing ATOS down, people have been there and done it to no avail. In fact ATOS is getting MORE involved than ever before!

It's OK to have your 2 mins of hope, but that is about as much as you will get - 2 mins!

Also, IDS, is not the person in charge of the DWP. Unless he has had a sex change and now goes by the name Maria Miller.

fogartyblue.

HB58 wrote: »

Scottish GPs have spoken out against the WCA

Ah thanks! Scotland I see!

Up there they have their own agenda and operate a different service.

In England, GP's are OK'ish about ATOS, they worry more about what they could have instead!

fogartyblue.

Lady_strange wrote: »

Also, IDS, is not the person in charge of the DWP. Unless he has had a sex change and now goes by the name Maria Miller.

IDS is the SoS Works & Pensions!

And considering that ESA was brought out to get people off the sick and back to work, he is well placed to have the best opinion about ATOS.

fogartyblue.

Lady_strange wrote: »

My partner has medical evidence to back up what is wrong with him, although it would appear that actual x-ray reports are not enough for ATOS.

And if everybody took your attitude, quite frankly Hitler would have won the war, and we would all be speaking German now, with many of us in death camps, for the fact our bodies have not become what they should have, due to genetics, and accidents at work.

X rays reports, MRI scans, CT scans, etc etc etc are of no value when considering if someone is capable of carrying out the recognised tests for work based functions.

It's the inability to carry out those functions that gives the points and points make prizes especially when you get 15 of them!

You can have all of the professors and physicians in the UK say that he can't work, but if he can show that he can carry out some of the functions he should be looking for a job!

Doctors! What do they know. Not a lot if the shower that looks after me and my wife are anything to go by!

As for the German comment. It would probably have been the best for this country if Germany had have won.

Have a look at their economy and growth figures and then have a look at our own miserable performance. Germany has and always will be a powerhouse, we like to think that we are.

KxMx

EDIT: don't wish to feed the troll

Brassedoff

fogartyblue. wrote: »

Hmm You remind me of the thing you use to turn a on a door and I don't mean handle

Chrissiew

Brassedoff wrote: »

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Would that be KNOB:T

Invalidation

fogartyblue. wrote: »

In England, GP's are OK'ish about ATOS, !

I wonder if you would care to provide some evidence for that statement, or is it just your opinion, which, going on what you have posted previously is worthless.

Lady_strange

I have to admit, that every doctor I have mentioned ATOS too, have pulled a face, and freely admitted that they think atos are charlatans.

I guess you have never had any health problems, else you would understand, that just because it states you can use a computer, does not mean you have the ability to hold down a job.

If x-ray reports and the like mean nothing, why do atos request that you take them?

It would seem to me that you sir, are bitter, and possibly have some sort of psychological issue, which means you suffer from a severe case of head up rectum disease.

fogartyblue.

Lady_strange wrote: »

I have to admit, that every doctor I have mentioned ATOS too, have pulled a face, and freely admitted that they think atos are charlatans.

I guess you have never had any health problems, else you would understand, that just because it states you can use a computer, does not mean you have the ability to hold down a job.

If x-ray reports and the like mean nothing, why do atos request that you take them?

It would seem to me that you sir, are bitter, and possibly have some sort of psychological issue, which means you suffer from a severe case of head up rectum disease.

There is no need to be rude!

I will re-quote what I said originally:

I thought that ESA was brought in to 'weed' out the many thousands of
overstated and dodgy IB claims?

I did have the figures a while ago,
something like 29% of IB claimants actually passed to go on the equivalent level
of ESA??

Doesn't say much for the honestly of the other 71% of IB
claimants who were found not to be as ill or disabled/unfit for work as they
hoped they were.

If someone fails (ie that they are one of the 37% of claimants) the ESA assessment it is for one of two reasons.

They are either fit for work and have been found to be trying it on.

or, they have failed to convince the assessor & the DWP Decision Maker that based on medical evidence and a face to face assessment that they are NOT fit for work.

For the first they should start looking for a job now and for the second, either appeal against the decision or accept it and also start looking for a job.

29% actually go through and are put into the Support Group (broadly the same as IB)
and 34% could be back at work in the short term.

That is how simple the system is. Where in the simplicity of that is the need to get an MP onboard and call for bringing down of ATOS. A bit extreme in my honest opinion.

If the OP thinks that they should be in one of the two groups, then they should appeal on the form GL24 and then submit medical evidence to back up their appeal and show where and which descriptor applies to them. Sending in all manner of test results and scans will mean nothing if they can't demonstrate that the descriptors fit them. It's no good saying that they have this and that diagnosis and here are the CT scans to prove it.

They should show how the symptoms and the condition affects them in line with the functional descriptors that ESA looks at.
It's not rocket science!