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dori2o

ILW wrote: »

I merely quoted a fact, are you disputing it?

Actually, yes I am.

I see a lot more lazy layabouts that come from the 'better off' end of the scale, who have never wanted for anything, had mummy and daddy provide everything for them, wipe their *rse for them well into their teens, when compated to kids from those families that struggle to get by week to week or month to month who have seen their parents struggle to get by and provide a home for their kids as best they can.

StevieJ

ukcarper wrote: »

CAB woman on BBC said that people claiming benefits would only get 15p in the pound.

I just had a look at those benefit calculations, never mind child benefit, some can still claim tax credits at £40k, ridiculous. I am not sure how there would be a restriction of 15p in the pound if the system is based on Gross salaries (less certain deductions e.g. pension contributions), anyone care to explain the practicalities of this?

We take into account the gross amount of your income, that is, your income before tax and National Insurance contributions have been taken off.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/leaflets/wtc2.pdf

The_White_Horse

dori2o wrote: »

Actually, yes I am.

I see a lot more lazy layabouts that come from the 'better off' end of the scale, who have never wanted for anything, had mummy and daddy provide everything for them, wipe their *rse for them well into their teens, when compated to kids from those families that struggle to get by week to week or month to month who have seen their parents struggle to get by and provide a home for their kids as best they can.

this must be true then.

although, i would hazard a guess that if we took all the offspring from any random council block and all the offspring from a nice leafy suburban street, the offspring from the suburban street would overall be doing better. just a hunch.

i work hard to give my children what i can. i would expect that they will grow up to work and work hard, because that is their expectation.

the children of scum see scum acting like scum, they are expected to be scum and therefore, they are scum. they also expect free handouts.

sunshinetours

Generalisations help noone. There are lazy people in all walks of life.
Either way the country needs more tax payers rather than benefit claimants whatever class they come from

dori2o

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the children of scum see scum acting like scum, they are expected to be scum and therefore, they are scum. they also expect free handouts.

The only scum I see here is yoou.

de1amo

ILW wrote: »

It may be sad, but the harsh truth is that on average, low (or no) earning parents tend to produce low (or no) earning children. Many who will never put anything into the coffers.

a lot of middle class women who wait til its too late to have children naturally produce 'defective' kids who will never hold down a job--middleclass and driven they will screw the system for all its worth!

Graham_Devon

dori2o wrote: »

Actually, yes I am.

I see a lot more lazy layabouts that come from the 'better off' end of the scale, who have never wanted for anything, had mummy and daddy provide everything for them, wipe their *rse for them well into their teens, when compated to kids from those families that struggle to get by week to week or month to month who have seen their parents struggle to get by and provide a home for their kids as best they can.

What does this have to do with paying tax or not?

ukcarper

StevieJ wrote: »

I just had a look at those benefit calculations, never mind child benefit, some can still claim tax credits at £40k, ridiculous. I am not sure how there would be a restriction of 15p in the pound if the system is based on Gross salaries (less certain deductions e.g. pension contributions), anyone care to explain the practicalities of this?
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/leaflets/wtc2.pdf

As far as I can tell wtc is based on gross I'm not sure its the same for lha etc.

Mind you i'm no expert

SteveV2

Thanks Hamish. They should have got you to do the pdf report. Downloaded that and though sod this and came here instead

StevieJ

ukcarper wrote: »

As far as I can tell wtc is based on gross I'm not sure its the same for lha etc.

Mind you i'm no expert

I forgot about the other allowances