Buyer won't sign contract

googler

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Fortunately, we don't have much of a problem with either in Scotland, as the legal system here makes it very hard to do.

We also don't have all these issues over fixtures, fittings and included extras, because all that is established within the property particulars, the initial written offer, and is rarely modified in subsequent dealings.

when you place the offer, you know what's included in the deal at that stage.

Perhaps the system in E&W would benefit from some change in this respect?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

googler wrote: »

Perhaps the system in E&W would benefit from some change in this respect?

The system in E&W would benefit from a lot of changes.

I really don't understand why they tolerate the sort of nonsense that seems to be endemic down there.

googler

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I really don't understand why they tolerate the sort of nonsense that seems to be endemic down there.

Open question to folks in E&W; do you really WANT to do things this way? Do you really want a house-buying system where you don't really know what's included with the house until late in the day, and where you end up arguing as the OP has done above?

Would you prefer a system where A - the included extras are stated in the property particulars upfront, B - where the standard format of written offer accepts part A, and also, as part of a standard wording, says what can and can't be taken away from the house, leading to C - certainty over what's included at the offer stage, rather than nearer to conclusion. Y/N?

This is standard practice in Scotland.

You could lobby for change, via your MP, if you really want a change.....

pleasedelete

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Whilst I would not be doing any of the awful things suggested on here and I would certainly leave the house clean for my own sense of pride, I most certainly would not be 'rewarding' buyers from hell with a bottle of champagne!!

But at the end of the day they gave me the best part of a million pounds.

I just think it is common courtesy. It's not a reward it's a house warming gift. I have bought and sold many houses. I have always (every single time) been left a card and a gift and I have always left one.

pimento

My vendors had made us a welcome hamper of wine and stuff (I saw it on the floor in the lobby as we arrived) and took it with them.

They had driven us nuts about having our money early on in the day as they were moving a couple of hundred miles and as completion was on a Monday, we actually borrowed our money from the previous Friday to accommodate them.

Moving day, our money hit their account at 10am. We arrived (ourselves having moved 50 miles) with our removals van and our elderly cat in a basket in the car at 3pm to find them having a shower and parked on the drive. Their removals van had long gone (we passed it on the motorway and I recognised their classic car being towed behind).

We had to sit outside for 45 mins while they used our hot water so I was understandably terse when they did finally pi$$ off.

Shame they'd forgotten to forward their mail...

POPPYOSCAR

pleasedelete wrote: »

But at the end of the day they gave me the best part of a million pounds.

I just think it is common courtesy. It's not a reward it's a house warming gift. I have bought and sold many houses. I have always (every single time) been left a card and a gift and I have always left one.

I do not see what the price of the house has to do with anything.

To me leaving a bottle of champagne for a "buyer from hell' is like saying 'it is ok how you have behaved, here is a drink on us' and not something I would do myself.

However, your prerogative to do as you please, of course.

chappers

googler wrote: »

Open question to folks in E&W; do you really WANT to do things this way? Do you really want a house-buying system where you don't really know what's included with the house until late in the day, and where you end up arguing as the OP has done above?

Would you prefer a system where A - the included extras are stated in the property particulars upfront, B - where the standard format of written offer accepts part A, and also, as part of a standard wording, says what can and can't be taken away from the house, leading to C - certainty over what's included at the offer stage, rather than nearer to conclusion. Y/N?

This is standard practice in Scotland.

You could lobby for change, via your MP, if you really want a change.....

Both systems have their merits and flaws. I have had to pull out of a deal before(which I would have struggled to do in Scotland) through no fault on either side, but would never dream of holding someone to ransom over minor defects or fixtures and fittings not stated at the point of offer. I have both gained and lost through honouring a deal that has been struck at the point of offer.

googler

... And the merits of the E&W system would be....?

DVardysShadow

googler wrote: »

This is standard practice in Scotland.

You could lobby for change, via your MP, if you really want a change.....

People did. They got HIPs. Which did not go all the way, but did have some advantages. People then threw a wobbly when instructed to do so by the media. HIPs are now gone.

That is the trouble with England. People do as they are told by the media for short term reasons, oblivious to the longer term. So with HIPs, it was the sellers who kicked up. Forgetting that if they sold they would soon be buyers too.

Ulfar

Hips were a waste of time as they were watered down due to vested interests.

The idea is sound for having a home pack, but it should have included the following :

Relevant searches that would need to be kept up to date.

A full survey which is binding on the surveyor should things be missed, this is hard enough now to get with some of the caveats in the reports. It would take legislation making the report binding and then I think you would see a real duty of care from surveyors.

The questions and answers section from the vendor should also be binding with real penalties for lies.

Then you could have had it so that once an offer is accepted then it would be binding.