Under the Counter Cigarettes - Bad for consumers in its present form

juno

Storck wrote: »

At work we have been told we will only have a set amount of time that the door can be open, 20 seconds, not sure if it is true or not.

Not exactly true. The doors close by themselves (unless you deliberately "lock" them open) but you can hold the door open if you need more time to find the right pack. You can't "lock" them open during a sale, though.

aldredd wrote: »

I'm curious: does law not state that any goods for sale must have a visible price list?

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/c_goods.pdf

Yes, all stores should display a visible price list on the cigarette kiosk.

pukkamum

anatomical wrote: »

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While parliament generally won't do anything to discourage the consumer, the amount of money spent in healthcare because of smoking far outweighs the amount of tax the government gets from the sale of cigarettes. One in five deaths in the UK are caused by smoking, I think it would irresponsible of the government not to introduce more measures like this.

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The actual cost to the NHS for the treatment of smokers is around 5bn the cost of tax to the smokers is 7bn.
This is why the government do not want smokers to stop smoking, hence all the adverts telling us how 'hard' it is to give up, already putting the idea of failing to quit in our heads.

Hiding the cigarettes? Is this really going to help? I think not.
It's just the government trying to look as though they are doing something to stop people smoking whilst acutally putting smoking more and more into the news.

It's a conspiracy!

custardy

pukkamum wrote: »

The actual cost to the NHS for the treatment of smokers is around 5bn the cost of tax to the smokers is 7bn.
This is why the government do not want smokers to stop smoking, hence all the adverts telling us how 'hard' it is to give up, already putting the idea of failing to quit in our heads.

Hiding the cigarettes? Is this really going to help? I think not.
It's just the government trying to look as though they are doing something to stop people smoking whilst acutally putting smoking more and more into the news.

It's a conspiracy!

so not having any assistance to give up would be better?
all this we pay in,it won't help etc
If you wan't to smoke,then do it.
If you want to give up then do it and take all the help available
If smoking a poisonous plant was created nowadays,it would be illegal
smoking is (no pun) a dying habit
its slow,but in the end it will go
just think back to when folks smoked in planes,buses,workplaces etc
nobody would have imagined the limitations on smoking of today

pukkamum

custardy wrote: »

so not having any assistance to give up would be better?
all this we pay in,it won't help etc
If you wan't to smoke,then do it.
If you want to give up then do it and take all the help available
If smoking a poisonous plant was created nowadays,it would be illegal
smoking is (no pun) a dying habit
its slow,but in the end it will go
just think back to when folks smoked in planes,buses,workplaces etc
nobody would have imagined the limitations on smoking of today

That is my point though they are not assisting people to give up they are constantly telling people how hard it is, do you really think companies that make nicotine patches, chewing gum and the like really want everyone to give up, no of course they don't, all these things are designed to keep people addicted to nicotine one way or another.

custardy

pukkamum wrote: »

That is my point though they are not assisting people to give up they are constantly telling people how hard it is, do you really think companies that make nicotine patches, chewing gum and the like really want everyone to give up, no of course they don't, all these things are designed to keep people addicted to nicotine one way or another.

the patch companies are not the Government
most of the stop smoking ads I recall(although they kinda wash over me) tend to focus on the support available?

anatomical

pukkamum wrote: »

The actual cost to the NHS for the treatment of smokers is around 5bn the cost of tax to the smokers is 7bn.
This is why the government do not want smokers to stop smoking, hence all the adverts telling us how 'hard' it is to give up, already putting the idea of failing to quit in our heads.

Hiding the cigarettes? Is this really going to help? I think not.
It's just the government trying to look as though they are doing something to stop people smoking whilst acutally putting smoking more and more into the news.

It's a conspiracy!

I see your point. Simply quantified in terms of money it would appear beneficial to keep smokers smoking. However, the amount of hours used by medical professionals treating smoking related illnesses detracts from the care of other patients, leading to a strain on the NHS. While the NHS spends 5bn on smoking related illnesses, the 7bn recovered by the government from taxes is not simply put back into the NHS. This is why stop smoking ads are usually NHS funded, it is them who feel the strain not the government. I should have phrased my thoughts a little better.

I feel that putting cigarettes out of sight will help, if not for this generation but the next. Think of the saying "out of sight, out of mind". If the younger generation grow up with no advertising of cigarettes, do not see their presence in every supermarket, do not see people smoking in restaurants and public places then it becomes less of a normal habit and less people will be inclined to take up smoking in the future.

pukkamum

custardy wrote: »

the patch companies are not the Government
most of the stop smoking ads I recall(although they kinda wash over me) tend to focus on the support available?

No they are not the government but they are supported by them, and yes the stop smoking adverts talk about support but only after telling us how hard we will find giving up.

How about adverts telling us how easy it is, that we don't need patches etc, that all we need is to re-train our brains?

getzls

custardy wrote: »

but thats one factor
does it take into account healthcare costs to that point?

As needing to see the cigarettes. I thought most smokers stuck to a brand they like?

I knew it was only a matter of time.:cool:

michaelvintner

All smokers should give up smoking for a week. Watch the Chancellor sh*t himself through the loss of tax revenue.

aldredd

michaelvintner wrote: »

All smokers should give up smoking for a week. Watch the Chancellor sh*t himself through the loss of tax revenue.

...and see how everyone comments on how clean the streets are of cigarette butts

And if you think the government were *that* worried about securing the revenue from smokers, do you really think they would spend money encouraging us *not* to smoke?