Under the Counter Cigarettes - Bad for consumers in its present form

unholyangel

Plus you have to take into account that money spent by the NHS on "smoking related illnesses" will not necessarily be spent on smokers.

While its true smokers may be more prone to those illnesses, a non-smoker being diagnosed with them is far from unheard of.

As for smokers more prone to taking days off......that could be a coincidence or there may be some other related factor responsible for that. Not all smokers will follow that trend, the only time i've had off work in the past 8 years were down to an injury i received at work and the death of a loved one for whom I was next of kin.

Azari

anatomical wrote: »

"44.9% of UK children between the ages of 13-15 are exposed to second hand smoke in the home".

That statistic is just about worthless without some explanation of the methodology used to derive it?

Are they suggesting that 44.9% of children live in a home with a smoker (unlikely, given the current proportion of smokers), or do they count one visit to the home of a friend or relative where they are exposed to smoke? Or something in between?

unholyangel

Azari wrote: »

That statistic is just about worthless without some explanation of the methodology used to derive it?

Are they suggesting that 44.9% of children live in a home with a smoker (unlikely, given the current proportion of smokers), or do they count one visit to the home of a friend or relative where they are exposed to smoke? Or something in between?

Probably taken from a survey of people buying nicotine patches or something :rotfl:

You can fiddle with statistics to make them say what you want. The more precise the statistic, the more likely someone has fiddled with it (ie why 13-15 year olds? Why not people under 18? Probably because the under 18 figure doesn't support whatever point they were trying to make).

afly

It's got nothing to do with money, or health concerns, it's all about politics. Smokers are repeatedly targeted by legislation because they are easy victims.

It is one of the few political areas where politicians can be under the safe assumption that no matter how bizarre the legislation, it will be passed and they can claim a triumph.


They could legislate that all smokers should be sectioned in work camps and kicked to a bloody pulp each day in front of their families and the anti-smokers would still scream for more.

Never make the mistake of thinking that politicians care about you, no matter which side of the fence you sit on this.

getzls

Hear hear afly.Yes, i'm a smoker too. But there is a lot of truth in that post.

CKhalvashi

unholyangel wrote: »

They'll still see parents/family/friends smoking at home and outside work places/restaurants/bars etc. When I started smoking, it wasnt because I saw them in the shops! In fact, I had no clue where you got them - even though they were on prominent display. It was due to family and friends smoking. Its a impressionable mind thing, the people you like do it so you end up doing it. Not peer pressure, just...a growing process i guess. If they really want to stop the next generation smoking, imo they're going to have to make it illegal to smoke in front of anyone below the age of 21.

This is the thing. I’ve got my girls (8 and 10) out the back of OH’s business today (bar) with a coke each, however they’ve both seen me come in/out for a cigarette.

Surely it makes no difference to anyone whether I smoke or not?

CK

Jakeandme

No need for it, people are being priced out of smoking, no need to hide it aswell. All we will see is tobacco sales plummet and traffic through dover increasing.

Yep dead right spadoosh, my mate has just got back from France with my duty free.

Haven't paid uk tax on tobacco since the early seventies.