Renewables: "talking 'bout my generation"

silverwhistle

zeupater wrote: »

Hi

Out of interest, has anyone stated with a degree of certainty what would happen to the legal status of continuation of UK government contracts under an independent parliament?

Well, the YES vote would say that you are trying to bully them..

The problem as I see it with things like the FIT is that they have been designed with a policy aim in mind: in this case encouraging the development of PV within a national context. (Even if we're linked to the French and Dutch by power links it isn't for their benefit..). Capital invested is based on such subsidies.

If you looked at the future then HM government wouldn't be paying subsidies to another nation for them to increase their capital and infrastructure. What are the arguments to continue paying _existing_ subsidies which were posited on other circumstances? A difficult one.

Would the Scots keep the pound? In practice maybe, as a border area, or like M&S in Oxford Street accepts Euros? But their banks won't be backed by the BoE, and Clydesdale £20 notes are going to be even more non-grata south of the border!

zeupater

silverwhistle wrote: »

Well, the YES vote would say that you are trying to bully them ...

Hi

Probably right there .... I've not seen such a political sham for decades - hiding behind the word in order to not have to answer some pretty straightforward and relevant questions is beyond me.

To me the question is simple ... Head or Heart ... Looking to the heart it's a question of the known, or the unknown wrapped in a cloak of untruth, smoke & mirrors whilst looking to the heart it seems to be a question of family vs outdated bigotry almost as old and relevant as disagreement with the socio-political effects of the Norman Conquest would be to Britain as a whole ...

Whichever way the vote goes has nothing to do with me, but I do have a degree of sympathy for those potential 'ex-pats' who, although could be in a position to forcibly change their nationality, have been disenfranchised from the decision on the future of their own birth-country whilst 'foreigners' (including many from other quarters of the UK) who would not take up the opportunity of holding a 'Scottish passport' have a say .... seems very odd and undemocratic to me, so I couldn't see the EU being very sympathetic to welcoming a new member until it's properly addressed .....

I really do think that it's just time that everybody with a say simply woke-up and realised that a group of long standing activists have developed into politicians who would struggle to perform at any level beyond county-councillors with the intent to grab power and a little deserved pay-grade which is well above their own abilities ....

EricMears

zeupater wrote: »

I do have a degree of sympathy for those potential 'ex-pats' who, although could be in a position to forcibly change their nationality, have been disenfranchised from the decision on the future of their own birth-country whilst 'foreigners' (including many from other quarters of the UK) who would not take up the opportunity of holding a 'Scottish passport' have a say .... seems very odd and undemocratic to me, so I couldn't see the EU being very sympathetic to welcoming a new member until it's properly addressed ....

That alas is the way all elections in the UK work (though I'm not so sure the same is true of all other EU states ?).


But I'm really not sure that allowing only those people who currently live within Scotland's borders to make such a decision is anything like 'fair'. As Z says, there are millions of expat Scots elsewhere in the UK (or indeed elsewhere in the world) who ought to have been consulted. And of course the non-Scots amongst us should be entitled to have a say on whether part of our country is permitted to secede.

legoman62

Lights out early on the E. Coast today 1.75 O's:D.....if the numbers get any lower,
I may have to resort to kWh to make me feel better;)

theboylard

Living in Little Scotland, I can hear a whole lead of wailing at the locals lack of vote.

Although at this year's Highland Gathering a mock vote gave a clear 'No' result.

Just realised I missed the second debate!

Ooh and more importantly, what a shocker!
Didn't even manage a single ho, a poultry 2.34 kWh :eek:

zeupater

EricMears wrote: »

That alas is the way all elections in the UK work (though I'm not so sure the same is true of all other EU states ?).

But I'm really not sure that allowing only those people who currently live within Scotland's borders to make such a decision is anything like 'fair'. As Z says, there are millions of expat Scots elsewhere in the UK (or indeed elsewhere in the world) who ought to have been consulted. And of course the non-Scots amongst us should be entitled to have a say on whether part of our country is permitted to secede.

Hi

I'm pretty sure that any ex-pat UK citizen (/subject of the crown) who has been on the UK electoral role within the past 15(?) years is entitled to register for a postal vote which must be treated and counted on par with any other vote ....

In the case of a 'yes' outcome, I really can see this being an issue which will tie up the whole process in legal red-tape at multiple levels for years to come costing the state a vast sum and the sponsoring politicians along with their parties absolutely nothing (as usual) ... the knock-on effect on international relations and membership of various institutions will be immense, something else which obviously hasn't been costed, but that's the way the cookie crumbles if heart overrules head ....

Of course, all involved are aware of this being a very strong possibility, yet the decision was made to go ahead anyway because of the added complexity an ex-pat vote would involve ... for 'complexity' I simply read 'upfront cost' which would need to have been accounted for ... as it stands the best outcome for the 'Yes' campaign would be to lose so that the eventual costs would never need to be explained and unspent 'up-front' costs would never need to be paid for ..... it should really make anyone wonder why such obvious bets are being so heavily hedged ....

shavy65

Another great day, a smidge off 6 O`s!
Vote YES....

OK, back to Solar PV everyone

Oscargrouch

shavy65 wrote: »

Don`t care how I get it Oscar, as long as I get it. I think it would be fine. And also think we`d still have the pound, although I think the Yes voters are going to be disappointed anyway. Anyway, back to PV.....

As the old saying goes; "Followed a Muck Cart, thought it was a wedding".................:rotfl:

silverwhistle wrote: »

Well, the YES vote would say that you are trying to bully them..

The problem as I see it with things like the FIT is that they have been designed with a policy aim in mind: in this case encouraging the development of PV within a national context. (Even if we're linked to the French and Dutch by power links it isn't for their benefit..). Capital invested is based on such subsidies.

If you looked at the future then HM government wouldn't be paying subsidies to another nation for them to increase their capital and infrastructure. What are the arguments to continue paying _existing_ subsidies which were posited on other circumstances? A difficult one.

Would the Scots keep the pound? In practice maybe, as a border area, or like M&S in Oxford Street accepts Euros? But their banks won't be backed by the BoE, and Clydesdale £20 notes are going to be even more non-grata south of the border!

Perhaps, but and at the end of the day, if Scotland wants total independence then fair enough, don't try and cling on to the plus points & ignore the minuses.....:mad: Perhaps, Northamptonshire will be the next breakaway......:D

0.72 O's , everything is going rat !!!!!.....

KevinG

Down with a bump. After an excellent August so far, well above PVGIS, just half an O today. 1kWh. Pah.

countryman_2

Well, yesterdays Bank Holiday Monday (25/8/14) was a grim reminder of what is to be expected come the winter time.... Overcast with persistent steady rain a mere 1.1125 O