Do workers have any employment rights left?

onceuponatime_2

LadyMissA wrote: »

I have no job at the moment actually as I was made redundant

I rest my case. Thanks for the debate. :beer: Sounds like me and you are in the minority. Your not bitter then.

LadyMissA

onceuponatime wrote: »

I rest my case. Thanks for the debate. :beer: Sounds like me and you are in the minority. Your not bitter then.

Are you saying I got made redudant because I say what I think? You are just a coward.

If you are think on. They made 3 people redundant as they had someone steal over £300k and then they lost a lot of money at Xmas 2009 as they are a bar/restaurant company and not many companies booked Xmas parties.

Lets hope you aren't in the situation where you get screwed over cause you are too gutless to speak up! :rotfl:

As far as being bitter goes........I coudl not give a !!!! if they all lost their jobs as they all deserve what they get there. If that is being bitter I am sorry was I meant to feel joy after 5 years of being there, oh yes must tell myself to rejoyce!!!

wapow

As far as being bitter goes........I coudl not give a !!!! if they all lost their jobs as they all deserve what they get there. If that is being bitter I am sorry was I meant to feel joy after 5 years of being there, oh yes must tell myself to rejoyce!!!

So shallow! :mad:
You need to learn to let things go.
All your negativity and bitterness is probably the reason why things are not looking up lol!

MOVE ON!!!!!

dickydonkin

LadyMissA wrote: »

Are you saying I got made redudant because I say what I think? You are just a coward.

If you are think on. They made 3 people redundant as they had someone steal over £300k and then they lost a lot of money at Xmas 2009 as they are a bar/restaurant company and not many companies booked Xmas parties.

Lets hope you aren't in the situation where you get screwed over cause you are too gutless to speak up! :rotfl:

As far as being bitter goes........I coudl not give a !!!! if they all lost their jobs as they all deserve what they get there. If that is being bitter I am sorry was I meant to feel joy after 5 years of being there, oh yes must tell myself to rejoyce!!!

Trust me on this - if a company want rid of you, they have more subtle ways of doing it such as 'redundancy'.

When an employer deems they have someone on their books who is disruptive or causing them 'issues' such as a member of staff reporting them to the HSE, then it is understandable why they would want shot of them.

I'm not suggesting it is right, but it happens!

I coudl not give a !!!! if they all lost their jobs as they all deserve what they get there.

So you didn't get on with your colleagues either?

marybelle01

Three of you sat up though the night on a Saturday/Sunday, and this debate represents the most meaningful thing you could find to do with your time? I bet the OP will find these comments entirely enlightening, and more than helpful in solving their problem. The employed really do need far more advice from the long term unemployed about how to keep their jobs.

Tori.k I'm not an expert on the law although I do know some, and if your contract is specific about your working hours, then unless the employer formally changes the contract (which they can do quite easily) then legally they can't just keep shifting them around like this (although you need to read your contract carefully as there might be bits that allow them to vary the hours/shifts). But having said that it sounds like this must be a very small supermarket/branch if things are so slow that there isn't work for employees, so this may end up a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. You say you can't afford to lose your shift allowance, but can you afford to lose your job? Because if there isn't enough work and you want to stand on "your rights" then the logical conclusion is that the employer will make redundancies and one of those may be you. It's all very well a bunch of unemployed people telling you that they would stand up for their rights and tell the employer what's what. Maybe they would, and maybe they wouldn't. But it looks like it isn't going to be put to the test any time soon, so you need to decide what is best for you.

Is there a bigger branch that you could maybe move to where the size of the store makes it more likely that the hours/work will be available? There's a big difference between what might be the staffing needs of a Tesco superstore and a Tesco express. Or could you look for employment that suits your needs better elsewhere? It does depend on where you live, but I know around my area, even with high unemployment, a lot of employers are keen to get willing night shift workers because these aren't the hours that a lot of people want to work. The reality is that if things are so bad in your store that they are sending people home, it may not matter whether you stand up for yourself or not. It's probably only a matter of time before there are redundancies or the store closes due to lack of footfall. If you can jump ship soon it may be best all around for you, because it is always easier to find work when you are already employed.

That way you can avoid ending up as one of those people who have nothing better to do with their nights than engage in futile arguments about what they would do if they had a job.

tori.k

Im not sure what happened to this thread over night, It's not a case of me sitting back taking it up the backside or being a coward.
For me to "demand my rights" i have to know what my rights are in the first place.
which is why i asked.

Reason for not talking to my manager last night was simply because my department manager was not on shift, I work nights but I work alone in my department, the night manager on duty didn't have a clue what was going on and is having a hard enought time finding work for their colleagues for me to have demanded to stay ( even if i knew i could) would have just lost other people their hours.

My contract state's my name my department name night team, my work nights 10hrs 10hrs 10hrs + agreed overtime the rest just state's as set out in my colleague handbook, which has nothing about shifting hours from nights to day's.

I know they are not deliberately trying to make my life hard but just trying to get everybody's hours in while we are quiet i was just hoping that someone was in the know that I have the right to say I dont mind changing the days i work but aslong as my hours were from 8pm till 6am, i suppose i will just have to try it anyway.

wapow

Three of you sat up though the night on a Saturday/Sunday, and this debate represents the most meaningful thing you could find to do with your time?

So whats your point? What does mentioning the days of the week (well done) have anything to do with this? It could be a monday and a tuesday. So what?

Have you ever heard of multi-tasking? Are you one of those lame people who cant do more than two or three things on their PC? Do you still type with one finger and have a hard time finding the letters of the alphabet on the keyboard?

The employed really do need far more advice from the long term unemployed about how to keep their jobs.

So what do you consider as long term? I can assure you, someone else may think it to be different to what you think.

Are the employed somehow better than the unemployed? Why are you so degrading about the unemployed?

Do you think much?

Have you not realised by now that many people from all walks of life are unemployed. There are HUNDREDS of professions unemployed. I can tell you indefinately that one or more of these people whom you consider as useless according to the way you talk about them, can offer invaluable advice.

Tori.k I'm not an expert on the law although I do know some, and if your contract is specific about your working hours, then unless the employer formally changes the contract (which they can do quite easily) then legally they can't just keep shifting them around like this (although you need to read your contract carefully as there might be bits that allow them to vary the hours/shifts)

Oh thats right. Just re-word all the sh*t already discussed to death in this 3 page thread.

It's all very well a bunch of unemployed people telling you that they would stand up for their rights and tell the employer what's what. Maybe they would, and maybe they wouldn't.

Its not a question of they would or wouldnt. People HAVE DONE and CONTINUE to do. What does unemployment have to do with it??

But it looks like it isn't going to be put to the test any time soon, so you need to decide what is best for you.

Youre right. The strong remain strong. The weak end up getting pushed around.

The reality is that if things are so bad in your store that they are sending people home, it may not matter whether you stand up for yourself or not.

If that is the reality, then it makes all the more sense to STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Show the company you are passionate about your job. Show them youre there to stay. Because if thats the reality, youre going to end up without a job. So try it anyway!

Because it is always easier to find work when you are already employed.

That WAS the case. Incase you havent heard, jobs are scarce at the moment. That kind of thinking doesnt fly anymore.

Bad advice.

That way you can avoid ending up as one of those people who have nothing better to do with their nights than engage in futile arguments about what they would do if they had a job.

Weve all had jobs.
Some of us are soon to start a new job.
Some of us CHOOSE to be unemployed. Are we not entitled a holiday?

Some of us are doing all kinds of things during our night. If that includes HAVING A REASONABLE DEBATE about a specific topic, then why not?

Some people like to think. What you think is futile may not be so futile for the next person. Considering your arguments are weak and you seem to be very degrading of the unemployed, i doubt your opinion of what folks should get upto on a night matters much.

So whats "better" in your world to do on a night?

Please enlighten us your high and mightyness. This will be interesting. Apparently youre a one track horse, cant multi task and always use your time effectively without a minute to waste.

CKhalvashi

I’d have thought that if you’re contracted on nights, you should be doing nights, or getting night rate.

Another point is that if this is Tesco, there is a lot of overtime at the moment, as one of my residents (her and 2 daughters across 3 stores) was telling me yesterday.

Sopho

wapow

tori.k wrote: »

Im not sure what happened to this thread over night, It's not a case of me sitting back taking it up the backside or being a coward.
For me to "demand my rights" i have to know what my rights are in the first place.
which is why i asked.

Reason for not talking to my manager last night was simply because my department manager was not on shift, I work nights but I work alone in my department, the night manager on duty didn't have a clue what was going on and is having a hard enought time finding work for their colleagues for me to have demanded to stay ( even if i knew i could) would have just lost other people their hours.

My contract state's my name my department name night team, my work nights 10hrs 10hrs 10hrs + agreed overtime the rest just state's as set out in my colleague handbook, which has nothing about shifting hours from nights to day's.

I know they are not deliberately trying to make my life hard but just trying to get everybody's hours in while we are quiet i was just hoping that someone was in the know that I have the right to say I dont mind changing the days i work but aslong as my hours were from 8pm till 6am, i suppose i will just have to try it anyway.

You have a right to express to your manager the shift changes are affecting your health and ability to work and manage your time and finances.

You have the right to ASK about working speciic times. You dont have the right to make demands or ultimatums.

You should also really read your employee handbook. Because this is what you originally asked -

I've the understanding that I have the right to my 30 hours but as a contracted night worker do I have the right to my contracted night's or can they keep shifting me on to the dayshifts as and when they please as im also down on wages due to losing my "night rate" which doesn't help when im making a wasted trip into work just to be sent home

Your employee handbook will state what the company policy is on shift changem how many hours they can change it by and how much of a notice they can give you.

Usually, companies can change a shift by an hour early or an hour later than your normal shift.

If your handbook does not state this, then you have the right to question the company's decision to move you around on shifts.

For me to "demand my rights" i have to know what my rights are in the first place. which is why i asked.

What people mean by that is, you have a basic right in LIFE and not just work to question !!!!!! is going on.

tori.k

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I’d have thought that if you’re contracted on nights, you should be doing nights, or getting night rate.

Another point is that if this is Tesco, there is a lot of overtime at the moment, as one of my residents (her and 2 daughters across 3 stores) was telling me yesterday.

Sopho

No not Tesco's altho we do have a seasonal difference in Cornwall, the overtime could be down to people getting the last of there holidays in before april, I had the whole of January off as we were so busy over the last year but i think it does reflect that this year people are not spending so much on food as they once did