mother and toddler parking in disabled bay got ticket

mikey72

HardWorker2010 wrote: »

Seems so simple, but then some people are just selfish idiots who's lives are so empty and pointless they can only gain attention by causing damage. They have nothing constructive to offer society at all. They are just a drain on the rest of us. I suppose it's a sign of a mature society that we tolerate them, pity them even, rather than taking them off into the woods and putting them out of their misery.

Spend a lot of time in the woods do you?
Hope there's a good car park nearby.

But back on topic.
I've a right to park how I want to.
If the spaces aren't big enough, I can't see it being my problem, just make sure you park over as well.
Unless you're someone like coupon, who parks over, and may have ended up too close to me anyway, in which case I can't do much else other than squeeze anything past her car. If you don't park centrally, I don't have time to mess about avoiding you.

bazster

mikey72 wrote: »

So I would use wide bay, but like you, not that fussy if I couldn't.

Pretending that you are anything like coupon-mad is a bit of an insult to that esteemed lady.

mikey72

bazster wrote: »

Pretending that you are anything like coupon-mad is a bit of an insult to that esteemed lady.

Best take the dress off then.

Spartacus_Mills

ppc_guy wrote: »

BDI my name BDI my nature?

If the parent spaces are full then why not park in one of the other various side by side spaces which are empty? Oh yes i know that means WALKING, a past-time people these days are so scared of.

If the vehicle parked in the disabled space without VALID reason you in my eyes deserve everything any PPC can throw at you. I know people will now jump on and say "yeh you will say that your a ppc" but this is my biggest bug bare. Its pure laziness and nothing else.

I would never park in a disabled bay but happily park in parent and child. Nothing to do with walking. I have a new car and do not want to risk it getting damaged in other spaces. If that riles people then tough AFAIC.

Had a few "fines" and filed them in the round file with the following toilet paper.

I appreciate you have come here and you are debating sensibly and want to engage with us however if this is a bug bear of yours what about for us customers having spaces that are really a good 6 inches too small, especially for drivers of larger cars.

kevanf1

I do not agree with evil supermarket 'parking tickets' (I know they are merely an invite to pay an extortionate amount of money) but could somebody please suggest another suitable deterrent to stop people using disabled bays when they are not entitled to do so? I am sick to death of people just popping into the disabled bays by the ATM's or just popping in the shop for 10 minutes excuse. Nine times out of ten because it's raining and they don't want to get a bit wet. Pity the poor disabled person who cannot walk very far or quickly to get out of the rain though!

What gives me the right to rant like this? I am disabled. I have a legitimate blue badge. I was also disabled before I got my blue badge but I would not use a disabled bay until I got one.

Coupon-mad

kevanf1 wrote: »

I do not agree with evil supermarket 'parking tickets' (I know they are merely an invite to pay an extortionate amount of money) but could somebody please suggest another suitable deterrent to stop people using disabled bays when they are not entitled to do so? I am sick to death of people just popping into the disabled bays by the ATM's or just popping in the shop for 10 minutes excuse. Nine times out of ten because it's raining and they don't want to get a bit wet. Pity the poor disabled person who cannot walk very far or quickly to get out of the rain though!

What gives me the right to rant like this? I am disabled. I have a legitimate blue badge. I was also disabled before I got my blue badge but I would not use a disabled bay until I got one.

I am totally on your side as I have had several disabled relatives (only one with a Blue Badge) and had two jobs working in disabled advice services.

But you cannot argue with the Equality Act! Disabled people who have the need to use a 'reasonable adjustment' put in place by a service provider, can use it. And they do not need to show any kind of Badge to claim that legal right.

You could indeed have used a private (non Council) disabled bay when you were first considered in need, by virtue of your disability, you never had to wait for that Blue Badge. Not on private land, like in Supermarket car parks.

I think you are ranting in the wrong direction because when I see people using disabled bays I do not assume they aren't disabled - I assume they must be. It's probably because of my previous jobs that I think this way but as most of us know, it's not always obvious at all.

Or the person could be going inside to collect a disabled friend from the cafe or summat (I used to do that for my late Mum and used to get all sorts of glares for rightly parking in a disabled bay). Maybe it's me but the ones moaning and glaring were ALWAYS pensioners...like they had more right to park there than I did when I was collecting my very infirm Mum, in her wheelchair. I used to either glare back or laugh at them - cos I am like that with 'jobsworths' or people who just need to 'get a life' I'm afraid! But if you saw me (before I got my Mum) you'd maybe have ranted at me? But it would have been wrong. That's the point I am making.

Bottom line? If you want something done about your issue you are having, with not being able to find a free disabled bay?

If you know of a Supermarket where the disabled bays are always full then tell the Supermarket manager (not being judgemental about those who park there and not agreeing with him if he replies with the usual knee-jerk reaction about 'bay abuse'). Simply explain that in fact you know the Blue Badge scheme isn't even applicable on private land - but that it's apparent that the shop actually needs more disabled bays to be compliant with the law.

And suggest that maybe they could have a staff member (familiar with the Equality Act) occasionally doing a survey there. Not of Blue Badges as they're irrelevant, but simply asking those who park there for their views and whether they are having trouble finding a disabled bay each time they visit. That would be good customer service, and could identify any issues, and would be a visual deterrent to any odd idiot who might be thinking of hopping out to go to the cashpoint.

RENEGADE_2

Like Kevanf1, I too oppose the unlawful measures attempted by PPCs even where a disabled space is inappropriately used.

I find the best remedy is appealing to conscience. Whilst on the bus heading back to my off-airport parking from Luton last Saturday, I took the front seats which have written by them, "please give this place up if a disabled person needs it". And who honestly wouldn't?

With car parks, obviously you cannot drive out once a disabled person comes along because you are not there! You wouldn't be parked if you were, so the only solution is a sign reading, "please keep this place reserved for disabled drivers" or the like. That in itself will do best to keep people away, no illegal threats and no bitter feelings.

RENEGADE_2

...either that or introduce a criminal element to the practice. This would promote one part of the PPC task to a level akin to Railway Byelaw 14. Just so long as neither the PPC nor the landowner pocket a single penny, the matter be dealt by magistrates and the fine be paid into government begging bowl.

kevanf1

The use of a blue badge may be legally irrelevant but it is one way in a noway perfect world of at least showing the person using it is entitled to do so. While acknowledging the fact that there is abuse in the system.

The ones I mentioned using disabled bays never seem to show a blue badge. They don't 'seem' to be driving for a disabled person either. How can you say who should morally have the use of disabled bays without having some form of showing that entitlement? Should somebody who has broken a leg be entitled to use a disabled bay? What if they are taking away the bay from somebody who is crippled up with arthritis (as I am actually). I have had to wait in a normal parking bay because I could not walk into the store and my wife has gone to do the shopping. While on other occasions I've had to drive off the car park because there were no disabled bays available for me to use. Those times I was on my own so I ended up having to go without the goods I needed.

mikey72

Coupon-mad wrote: »

.....................Bottom line? If you want something done about your issue you are having, with not being able to find a free disabled bay?

If you know of a Supermarket where the disabled bays are always full then tell the Supermarket manager (not being judgemental about those who park there and not agreeing with him if he replies with the usual knee-jerk reaction about 'bay abuse'). Simply explain that in fact you know the Blue Badge scheme isn't even applicable on private land - but that it's apparent that the shop actually needs more disabled bays to be compliant with the law.........................:)

What do you do when you finish up with so many (full) bays that the further ones are so far away the users can't walk the distance to the store any more, as the closer ones are full of none blue badge disabled users?