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Illegal parking in cycle lanes - name and shame
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Yes and cyclists also use primary for no other reason than they read it in a book.
Correct use of the primary position in covered in detail in all cycling training materials and is recommended by all cycling and road safety bodies.So for arguments sake, if you give 1 metre when overtaking a car, you give 1 metre when overtaking a bike.
No, please don't pass anything like that close, particularly at speed. Many countries have a legally mandated 1.5m passing distance but that really should be considered the minimum.If the cyclist is just riding defensively because they don't want to be overtaken, then that is a different matter.
I often ride defensively to discourage dangerous overtaking.I disagree that most drivers don't give a damn about cyclists.
No, fortunately it's a tiny majority of drivers who either don't care or who simply haven't taken to time to learn how to drive and cycle safely.The opposing argument is that cyclists don't give a damn about anybody except themselves.
Cyclists are certainly very concerned about their own safety and treat this as something of a priority. Skilled and considerate motorists don't have any problem with this as they understand exactly why the cyclist is positioning themselves as they are. Other drivers ... less so.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
You fail to mention that what I have written, agrees word for word to The Highway Code
Yes, but you've then concocted an odd interpretation of those words, and it's this interpretation that directly disagrees with the various sources of information on safe and considerate cycling that I quoted.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Correct use of the primary position in covered in detail in all cycling training materials and is recommended by all cycling and road safety bodies.
Yes, correct use is recommend.
Therefore, is incorrect use not recommend?
What about The Highway Code and the rules of the road, what do each and everyone of these bodies have to say about that?gadgetmind wrote: »No, please don't pass anything like that close, particularly at speed. Many countries have a legally mandated 1.5m passing distance but that really should be considered the minimum.
The UK does not have a minimum distance, which is why I put 1m for arguments sake, and lo and behold, an argument.gadgetmind wrote: »I often ride defensively to discourage dangerous overtaking.
Well done. :T
I only commented on riding defensively to stop overtaking, full stop.gadgetmind wrote: »No, fortunately it's a tiny majority of drivers who either don't care or who simply haven't taken to time to learn how to drive and cycle safely.
A tiny majority?
What about cyclists "who either don't care or who simply haven't taken to time to learn how to drive and cycle safely."gadgetmind wrote: »Cyclists are certainly very concerned about their own safety and treat this as something of a priority. Skilled and considerate motorists don't have any problem with this as they understand exactly why the cyclist is positioning themselves as they are. Other drivers ... less so.
I agree with this comment, I think you are failing to distinguish between good cyclists (who you are talking about) and bad cyclists (who I am talking about).0 -
seems you fail to understand that difference.
No, it seems that you have just added a word to a sentence to give it a different meaning.
Therefore, you fail to understand the difference you have created and the difference between what you and I are talking about.
I know that we are talking about two different things, you are trying to suggest that we are talking about the meaning you gave to my comment by adding an extra word.
Do you understand?0 -
No, it seems that you have just added a word to a sentence to give it a different meaning.
Therefore, you fail to understand the difference you have created and the difference between what you and I are talking about.
I know that we are talking about two different things, you are trying to suggest that we are talking about the meaning you gave to my comment by adding an extra word.
Do you understand?
lots of words,none change anything.
cyclists ride defensivly to stop dangerous overtaking.
or are you suggesting a cyclist can block both lanes of a road?0 -
What about The Highway Code and the rules of the road, what do each and everyone of these bodies have to say about that?
The highway code doesn't discuss safe and considerate road positioning for cyclists, but you will find this in cyclecraft and other cycle training materials. I again suggest you do some reading.The UK does not have a minimum distance, which is why I put 1m for arguments sake, and lo and behold, an argument.
That wasn't an argument, it was a correction. If I'd let it stand, people might have thought that 1 metre is a safe passing clearance - it isn't other than at very low speeds.I only commented on riding defensively to stop overtaking, full stop.
Yes, and there are cases where riding defensively to prevent overtaking is exactly the right thing to do.What about cyclists "who either don't care or who simply haven't taken to time to learn how to drive and cycle safely."
I haven't seen any in this thread, which is why I restricted my statements to motorists who appear to be somewhat under-informed.I agree with this comment, I think you are failing to distinguish between good cyclists (who you are talking about) and bad cyclists (who I am talking about).
Sadly, due to ignorance, some drivers might label as "bad" a cyclist who was actually being safe and considerate while riding to the rule of the highway code and as recommended by cycling training bodies.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
Strider590 wrote: »A cyclist is used to being overtaken, they're not trying to stop you, they're trying to make sure you don't kill them.
Absolutely spot on.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
Yes that is an example of poor driving.
But for every example of poor driving, there is an example of poor cycling.
I am just trying to be the voice of reason.
This thread is more like a cyclists witch hunt of drivers.
So far all I can see is:
All cyclists are good.
The only drivers that are drivers, are those that are actually cyclists.
which is why a defensive attitude is required0 -
I am just trying to be the voice of reason.
Really? It doesn't come across that way, far from it.The only drivers that are good drivers, are those that are actually cyclists.
It certainly helps, but I don't think it's necessary. Many drivers do seem to understand why cyclists position themselves as they do, but sadly some still insist on trying to push past, with clearances of 1 metre or even less, and thus cause a great deal of danger. Sometimes they add insult to injury by insisting that the cyclist was riding too far from the kerb and thus made a dangerously close pass somehow inevitable.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0
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