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Illegal parking in cycle lanes - name and shame
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I have noticed that on this thread there are a lot of cyclists that are very defensive.
The majority (who appear to be cyclists) seem to think that all car drivers are bad, and all cyclists are perfect, which is simply not true.0 -
The highway code, rules for cyclists:
66- be considerate of other road users
You MUST NOT- ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner
Do you regard riding in the primary position as being inconsiderate when it's being done by the book (Cyclecraft) and for valid safety reasons?I do when I am driving, please quote or tell me why you think I don't?
If you do pull well out, after waiting for a suitable gap, then fine. But don't expect cyclists to hug the gutter when it isn't safe just so you can do a scary "in lane pass", which is what some motorists expect and do.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
The majority (who appear to be cyclists) seem to think that all car drivers are bad, and all cyclists are perfect, which is simply not true.
No, but enough car drivers are bad (and clueless regards what is and isn't safe and considerate cycling) for the roads to be less than pleasant for cyclists at times.
Try doing a few thousand city miles a year on a bicycle and the scales will soon fall from your eyes! It will also almost certainly make you a better driver - it did in my case.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind - Read the post I was commenting on:I've cycled around a lot over the years, and when i began i always made the effort to be as far over to the side of the road as i could be, and pull into lay bys, etc, whenever i could in case there were any cars or buses trapped behind me.
After being overtaken many times by buses that immediately pulled in, forcing me to slam on the brakes to avoid being trapped between the side of the bus and the kerb/barriers, and being overtaken by dozens of taxis that go past leaving barely a few inches between their cab and my handlebars, i changed my riding style to be a lot more defensive.
As a result of deciding my safety is more important than pleasing impatient drivers i now ride as far into the road as i feel i need to in order to be able to avoid car doors opening or pedestrians stepping out without looking, and cars (or especially buses) behind me that want to overtake can wait til i either stop or find a space where i'm happy to let them pass.
It probably upsets more people, but at the end of the day playing nicely was putting my life in danger.
Changing your riding style to be defensive, riding as far into the road as you can, being inconsiderate to other road users, buses and cars.gadgetmind wrote: »Do you regard riding in the primary position as being inconsiderate when it's being done by the book (Cyclecraft) and for valid safety reasons?
What you are talking about and what I commented on are two different things.
As I have said multiple times, there are bad drivers & bad cyclists.gadgetmind wrote: »If you do pull well out, after waiting for a suitable gap, then fine. But don't expect cyclists to hug the gutter when it isn't safe just so you can do a scary "in lane pass", which is what some motorists expect and do.
Again, your are assuming how I drive my car. And again, you are talking about something that isn't really in debate.
I could randomly start talking about cyclists going through red lights..... but that is another story.gadgetmind wrote: »No, but enough car drivers are bad (and clueless regards what is and isn't safe and considerate cycling) for the roads to be less than pleasant for cyclists at times.
Same applies to cyclists. Let's just take a fair view on this and not turn it into a totally one sided argument, where cyclists moan about drivers.gadgetmind wrote: »Try doing a few thousand city miles a year on a bicycle and the scales will soon fall from your eyes! It will also almost certainly make you a better driver - it did in my case.
I have never said I do or do not cycle.0 -
Changing your riding style to be defensive, riding as far into the road as you can, being inconsiderate to other road users, buses and cars.
Sorry, but riding defensively in the primary position is *not* being inconsiderate. Please read cyclecraft before commenting further.I have never said I do or do not cycle.
No, but you clearly haven't read cyclecraft yet you feel you have something to tell cyclists about how to cycle safely and considerately. Interesting.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Sorry, but riding defensively in the primary position is *not* being inconsiderate. Please read cyclecraft before commenting further.
Cyclecraft is not mentioned once in the post I commented on. What you are arguing about, is not what I commented on.
A change of riding style, to be a selfish road user is. Which in my opinion would be inconsiderate to other road users, if you are only considering yourself and what suits you.gadgetmind wrote: »No, but you clearly haven't read cyclecraft yet you feel you have something to tell cyclists about how to cycle safely and considerately. Interesting.
Cyclecraft is a guide.
The Highway Code, are the rules of the road.
Cyclecraft is therefore a guide for cyclists, who must adhere to the rules of the road.
Interesting how a cyclist who preaches about Cyclecraft, would ignore the rules of the road.0 -
A change of riding style, to be a selfish road user is. Which in my opinion would be inconsiderate to other road users
Yes, I'm sure that this is your opinion, but sadly it's not an informed opinion.Interesting how a cyclist who preaches about Cyclecraft, would ignore the rules of the road.
Which rule of the road do you feel I ignore?
Perhaps you'd like to do some reading and thinking before replying?
http://road.cc/content/news/15646-iam-urges-cyclists-claim-their-lane
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/01/cyclist-take-the-lane
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/technique-road-positioning-197/I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
Changing your riding style to be defensive, riding as far into the road as you can, being inconsiderate to other road users, buses and cars.
Highway code also says
"Leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles"
in the cyclist section.
If the road is badly designed and the cycle lane, if there is one, goes past vast numbers of parked cars, it's not possible to cycle in the cycle lane without risking life and limb from a car door opening.
Also, there is a difference between being 'defensive' and being 'incondiserate' and I think all users - both cyclists and drivers - would be vastly better off if all of them were considerate.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Yes, I'm sure that this is your opinion, but sadly it's not an informed opinion.
Yes, The Highway Code is all lies.gadgetmind wrote: »Which rule of the road do you feel I ignore?
The Highway Code rules listed above, in regard to the comment I replied to.
You may be the most perfect cyclist in the world, ride according to The Highway Code in concjunction with Cyclecraft, but your attitude suggests otherwise.
Your opinion that cyclsists are right, drivers are wrong, is totally biased, which therefore must lead to being inconsiderate to other road users, ie those that are not cyclists.gadgetmind wrote: »Perhaps you'd like to do some reading and thinking before replying?
http://road.cc/content/news/15646-iam-urges-cyclists-claim-their-lane
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/01/cyclist-take-the-lane
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/technique-road-positioning-197/
Each of these stories agree to what I said, The Highway Code are the rules, anything else is a guide, advice or a recommendation.
Perhaps you would like to post some more irrelevant stories up for me to read?0 -
savagehoutkop wrote: »Also, there is a difference between being 'defensive' and being 'incondiserate' and I think all users - both cyclists and drivers - would be vastly better off if all of them were considerate.
Absolutely.
Here is an example of how I behave on the roads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSGzl5lo0DY
Sadly, my camera captures a wide variety of other behaviour!I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0
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