There are plenty of jobs out there!

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moneysaversupremo wrote: »

have you got any suggestions as to what you feel could be done to improve this situation.

Quite honestly, I'm not really sure. Personally it is tempting to think we might be on our way to an economy in which all humans don't need to work. Technology has been replacing jobs for a while, but until recently people have found other things to do.

I think we're rapidly moving toward a future in which the only people in demand will be software programmers and those in which customers actually prefer a personal touch (supermarket checkouts moved incredibly fast, in our local stores noone actually uses the till operators now).

The difficulty is making the connection when our pre-credit crunch boom masked a lot of the issues in Western economies. Oil is at a high point in real terms and everyone is deleveraging, so it could all be a bit overblown if those issues go away. So it might not be in ten or twenty years, but I think we will have to reconsider the old 'everyone must work' way of thinking at some point in the future.

Also, how those suffering from the over-supply of labour can deal with it if they personally are either being that "over-supply of labour" at present (ie unemployed) or suffering the knock-on effects (ie in work - but with employers using the situation as an excuse to cut wages, etc)?

That's another one with no real answer. The best I think people can do is as stated before, retrain, relocate, and basically be better than the other candidates. Not everyone is going to find employment in the near term, you want to be one of the ones who do.

Some of the posters on this thread seem to take advice as personal insult or that they're not trying hard enough when it's really not. Simply stating the reality of what jobseeking is. Being better (however you define better) than the others applying.

silkyuk9

LadyMissA wrote: »

I am very sure they said that. Yeah if you are a professional and have 20 years experience go and serve tea to patients! lol At the end of the day you will get a 'job' paying £2.60 an hour! Wow

gettingready > well done on the job offer. I do hope it works out well for you!!

I don't know why you keep going on about an apprenticeship that pays £2-60 per hour? How is a teenager supposed to learn a trade in todays climate? Apprenticeships are not new. You can look on the apprentice website and see how many are available throughout the UK for 17 to 23 year olds, there are some apprenticeships that after a year, providing you are given employement that pay very good wages. Rig work for instance, or another one im looking at Eddie Stobarts apprenticeship, £90 per week, full HGV/LGV training given and if course completed a full time job on offer giving around £700 per week. When I was 17 back in the 80's the scheme was called YTS and paid £70 per week and again if the chosen scheme was completed and was lucky enough to be given a job at the end of the year the wage reflected the qualification or job type. The police force did a cadet scheme in the 80's and early 90's again this was similar if course was complered you got a full time job in the force. These schemems are nothing new and help young teenagers who may not have had a great schooling.

I'm sure many of us here have been on apprenticeships, another one to enlightend you my friend's son went to South Shields up North of England and got an apprenticeship with the merchant navy, BP. He only got £100 per week, but after 3 years he went on to become and officer with BP and travels around the world. Now 6 or 7 years later he is a 3rd officer and has his own house that he rents out and a property in Thailand. This all started with an apprenticeship.

Of course that is one side of the spectrum and the other sie is an apprenticeship in Mc'Ds for instance and still only getting minimum wage after several years working for them. Even though an apprenticeship only pays £2-60 per hour and you live at home with full support from parents that is better than sitting around for a year looking on job websites for jobs that people say do not exsist, or more to the point jobs you do not have qualifications for. You have got to admit that applying for any job without any qualifications is hard to get but if you have the qualification then you stand a better chance of getting employement. I understand the fact that if you are a teenager that does not have the support from family, or does not have family for support apprenticeships are not going to be easy to do. Luckily my daughter has a father who gets up in the morning to drive her to work, sure this is only 3 miles away but still the support is there. OK if the apprenticeship was 20 miles away then we would have problems with getting there each day.

If any kid gets a qualification thats better than none. I have qualifications from when I was a kid that I do not use in my work. I left school and went to college for 3 years to train as a chef, im not one but still got these if I ever had to look for a 'catering' job. I still dont think ive tlaked you around but there you go.

falko89

silkyuk9 wrote: »

I don't know why you keep going on about an apprenticeship that pays £2-60 per hour? How is a teenager supposed to learn a trade in todays climate? Apprenticeships are not new. You can look on the apprentice website and see how many are available throughout the UK for 17 to 23 year olds, there are some apprenticeships that after a year, providing you are given employement that pay very good wages. Rig work for instance, or another one im looking at Eddie Stobarts apprenticeship, £90 per week, full HGV/LGV training given and if course completed a full time job on offer giving around £700 per week. When I was 17 back in the 80's the scheme was called YTS and paid £70 per week and again if the chosen scheme was completed and was lucky enough to be given a job at the end of the year the wage reflected the qualification or job type. The police force did a cadet scheme in the 80's and early 90's again this was similar if course was complered you got a full time job in the force. These schemems are nothing new and help young teenagers who may not have had a great schooling.

I'm sure many of us here have been on apprenticeships, another one to enlightend you my friend's son went to South Shields up North of England and got an apprenticeship with the merchant navy, BP. He only got £100 per week, but after 3 years he went on to become and officer with BP and travels around the world. Now 6 or 7 years later he is a 3rd officer and has his own house that he rents out and a property in Thailand. This all started with an apprenticeship.

Of course that is one side of the spectrum and the other sie is an apprenticeship in Mc'Ds for instance and still only getting minimum wage after several years working for them. Even though an apprenticeship only pays £2-60 per hour and you live at home with full support from parents that is better than sitting around for a year looking on job websites for jobs that people say do not exsist, or more to the point jobs you do not have qualifications for. You have got to admit that applying for any job without any qualifications is hard to get but if you have the qualification then you stand a better chance of getting employement. I understand the fact that if you are a teenager that does not have the support from family, or does not have family for support apprenticeships are not going to be easy to do. Luckily my daughter has a father who gets up in the morning to drive her to work, sure this is only 3 miles away but still the support is there. OK if the apprenticeship was 20 miles away then we would have problems with getting there each day.

If any kid gets a qualification thats better than none. I have qualifications from when I was a kid that I do not use in my work. I left school and went to college for 3 years to train as a chef, im not one but still got these if I ever had to look for a 'catering' job. I still dont think ive tlaked you around but there you go.

When I did my apprenticeship in cabinet making back in the late 90's I earned £50 a week, when I completed it I got made redundant, the only reason behind this I can think of was my employer would have to start paying me a proper wage and I believe they got some sort of subsidy from the government from taking on an apprentice. Luckily back then it was easy enough to get another job, I started a new job a month later but my apprenticeship was irrelevant and that has been the theme right through out my working history, the apprenticeship was never took into consideration and I certainly never earned any more money because of it, and even in my last job I was actually the only person properly qualified yet I was the only person not taken back when the company got bought over, so that shows how valued my apprenticeship was, and if you look at the chain of command its not who knows what is the highest paid, its who know who and who can suck up the best, that's the most valued skill I've noticed right through out my working life, it may also explain why my previous employer went tits up with such an attitude.

silkyuk9

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I understand where you are coming from and you are quite right some employers look at apprenticeships as slave or cheap labour, 12 months later gone! I think also these employers have a reputation of doing this so best to stay away from that individual. However, there are thuosand apprenticeships to chose from and now looking back if I was 17 all over again I would choose to do one with a reputable employer or large organisation that has a good reputation on keeping appentices, such as ICI (not sure if they exisit now however) or an oil rig company or even a company with good reputation such as eddie stobart. BP, Shell. At 17 you can adapt to any work situation and hopefully would give you a great career after the 1 year. Maybe a small business like a family run affair is best to stay clear of.

falko89

silkyuk9 wrote: »

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I understand where you are coming from and you are quite right some employers look at apprenticeships as slave or cheap labour, 12 months later gone! I think also these employers have a reputation of doing this so best to stay away from that individual. However, there are thuosand apprenticeships to chose from and now looking back if I was 17 all over again I would choose to do one with a reputable employer or large organisation that has a good reputation on keeping appentices, such as ICI (not sure if they exisit now however) or an oil rig company or even a company with good reputation such as eddie stobart. BP, Shell. At 17 you can adapt to any work situation and hopefully would give you a great career after the 1 year. Maybe a small business like a family run affair is best to stay clear of.

When I was 17 there wasn't much of a choice of apprenticeships but now there seems to be apprenticeships in everything but as I learned its important to pick the right employer but then you don't really know until you get in.

LadyMissA

silkyuk9 wrote: »

I don't know why you keep going on about an apprenticeship that pays £2-60 per hour? How is a teenager supposed to learn a trade in todays climate?

YOU are the one who was banging on about it and how we all can get a job paying £2.60 an hour if we really wanted one
I am not a teenager with NO expereince, unlike your daughter. Maybe she should have been working like I have been since the age of 13 and that would have given her more experience in the 'workplace' and maybe she would have found it easier to get a job.

Learn a trade? What is she doing? Car mechanics? lol

I left school and got a real job, not a £2.60 an hour job in fact it was £9kpa in 1987 which was good money then.

rentergirl

It's odd. Even with in some areas 28 applicants per job, people are still being blamed and punished into slow starvation if they are long term unemployed. We need to increase benefits. How you live on £68 per week.

falko89

What I would like to know is what percent of jobs go to those already working? Ok this will open a vacancy elsewhere but I reckon with the way things are at the moment many companies will chose not to refill positions when someone leaves.

falko89

rentergirl wrote: »

It's odd. Even with in some areas 28 applicants per job, people are still being blamed and punished into slow starvation if they are long term unemployed. We need to increase benefits. How you live on £68 per week.

We get £70 a week in a few weeks time

LadyMissA

falko89 wrote: »

What I would like to know is what percent of jobs go to those already working? Ok this will open a vacancy elsewhere but I reckon with the way things are at the moment many companies will chose not to refill positions when someone leaves.

for the jobs I apply for there is about 60-80% already working and you can work that out by looking at contract roles or short term temp roles and they only get 40-60 people applying where the full time perm jobs get over 300