MSE News: 'I'm on benefits but I'm no scrounger'

Coopdivi

lanza wrote: »

What the F are you all about. Where did he say that or even suggest anything like it ?

go on extract the sentence where that is suggested so we can see how you drew that brilliant conclusion.

Here you go clever clogs. I've extracted the relevant bit:

'Now it becomes clear to me about some other claimants I have known. A guy that worked for me. His father had not worked since 25. Had a nice purchased home and car. Couldn`t work because of a bad back but when I needed building work he was the first to come to me. A guy who is a JW, knocking on peoples doors can`t work because of depression. Not worked that out. Has managed to do about 10 years on benefits.

A local guy who can`t work because of bad wrists, don`t get it as he is often seen in the pub with his building clothes on after a days work. Or the lass that came into £80k but hasn`t informed the benefits office.'

I'm sick and tired of people who come on MSE and constantly whine about other people supposedly fiddling the dole. So why not do something concrete about it? Because all that happens is that everybody else who claims benefits legitimately gets tarred with the same brush by association.

Of course the real reason the country's up ship creek without a paddle is because the bankers were given free reign to defraud the nation. But hey, it's easier to demonise the poor rather than stringing a few bankers up.

lanza

Coopdivi wrote: »

Here you go clever clogs. I've extracted the relevant bit:

'Now it becomes clear to me about some other claimants I have known. A guy that worked for me. His father had not worked since 25. Had a nice purchased home and car. Couldn`t work because of a bad back but when I needed building work he was the first to come to me. A guy who is a JW, knocking on peoples doors can`t work because of depression. Not worked that out. Has managed to do about 10 years on benefits.

A local guy who can`t work because of bad wrists, don`t get it as he is often seen in the pub with his building clothes on after a days work. Or the lass that came into £80k but hasn`t informed the benefits office.'

I'm sick and tired of people who come on MSE and constantly whine about other people supposedly fiddling the dole. So why not do something concrete about it? Because all that happens is that everybody else who claims benefits legitimately gets tarred with the same brush by association.

Of course the real reason the country's up ship creek without a paddle is because the bankers were given free reign to defraud the nation. But hey, it's easier to demonise the poor rather than stringing a few bankers up.

you drew the conclusion from the above post that this was what the member was saying. Your words.

"So everybody else is on the fiddle except you? why don't you dob them in then? After all it's your duty as a law abiding citizen...."

Is he saying "everybody else" ? He points out "some" examples. Three in total to show that there are "some" cases where people are on the fiddle. Big deal. How does this translate to the population. Again can you explain where specifically he is saying this is "everybody else" ?

.... your words


I see a couple of idiots have thanked you. Apparently all it does to get thanked on this forum is make idiotic statements that have good sounding effect, but no real substance, rationality or even accurate bearing to reality !

lanza

Coopdivi wrote: »

Was it not a shambles when you joined 3 months ago?

Considering your previous error in comprehension of not being able to distinguish the concept of "some" from "everybody" and now this, I think you clearly have either an english understanding problem or a deficit in rational thinking. Or perhaps both.

I said

"Originally Posted by lanza
I give up, this forum is a shambles now, or maybe it always was. I guess this is what money does to peoples brains."

if i am entertaining the idea this place always was a shambles, then clearly, by something called logic which defines something called time. that would include the time period of 3 months ago.

Or let me make it clear. Always would include the time period from now, back to the start of the forum.

The time period of 3 months IS a subset of the time period "always"


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dktreesea

Anon_E_Mus wrote: »

Sometimes a disability means having to spend out more money to live than an able bodied person.

I have a 12 mile round trip to the Doctors everyday, this is a necessity to get my open wound dressed. On the weekends I have a District Nurse come to me. Therefore I need extra diesel money. I cannot get public transport due to living in the middle of nowhere. There is a bus comes past me, four times a day. But it doesn't go near to the Doctors. To get a bus to the Doctors I would have to get three. One from here into the next village, then another into town, then one out of town to the Doctors. I can't got to the Doctors in town because I am out of the catchment area. If I was fit enough, I could walk the trip, but then if I were fit, I'd be at work and not need to go to the Doctors everyday..

None of that extra travel should be necessary. The NHS isn't fit for purpose. A district nurse should be coming out to you every day to fix your dressing and reassess the wound. That's what happens in other countries. Why in Britain do we require people with wounds to drive themselves anywhere to get attended to?

Anon_E_Mus wrote: »

I have to go to the hospital on a regular basis. This is also extra diesel and then parking on top. .

Parking fees for hospitals. Disgusting! Like I said, an NHS not fit for purpose. But the underlying problem, surely, is even if you wanted to save the petrol costs and go by public transport, you can't get there without considerable effort because the NHS doesn't allow you to choose your own doctor. That means there is no incentive for doctors to provide good treatment beyond their own consciences, because they know the people in their district have no choice but to come to them, even if it is easier for that person to go to a town doctor on a convenient bus route.

Anon_E_Mus wrote: »

I also have to eat good quality fresh food. My wound needs the correct protein to heal.
I need to buy some dressings not available on prescription.

Thank God I live in a part of Britain where dressings for wounds are FOC! And everyone deserves to be able to afford good quality fresh food, whatever their circumstances.

Anon_E_Mus wrote: »

So yes, it is sometimes necessary to get DLA.

I commented a while back, I am on £67.50 per week. At the moment I am not receiving DLA, but I have applied for it. I can no longer survive without it.

And believe me, the £19odd extra I hopefully will receive will in no way mean I won't get the incentive to get better. If I could swap all what I have been through, and swap what I'm still going through, I would swap it all in the next minute.

Be careful you don't suddenly get ill and end up in a position where YOU are a victim of all this. It's not a nice place to be.

It seems to me that the main reason the DLA exists is because the government don't want to provide the services they should be providing, through the NHS, to people who are too ill to work.

We shouldn't be put in a position where the only way to cover the extra costs when we are sick -parking fees at hospitals! How bad is that?! - is to claim the DLA. People being forced, Oliver Twist like, to go via the DWP and ATOS begging for a bit more all because services that should be provided to them free are withheld.

Say someone is in your position and is fortunate enough to get the DLA. It's what happens once they are healed but still can't find work that gets people up in arms about financially rewarding disability. A guy a couple of streets back from us sprained his back at work. He's a carpenter. He claimed and got DLA because he was entitled to it. Fair enough. He needed 6 months of physio to get better. At first he could only get 3 months worth. His doctor said that's all he could get on the NHS, so never mind how much he actually needs to heal - that doesn't come into it - some jobsworth somehwere has decided in our NHS trust area three months is the max physio you can get. He ended up referred to a private physio, paid for by the state because he was unemployed, and presumably at a far higher cost that in would have cost the NHS to directly give him the care he needed.

A few months after that, he was telling me he still claimed the DLA and would do so until he went back to work. Even though the doctor signed him off as fit for work/able bodied a few months earlier.

It seems to me that it would be far better to provide the disabled/ill with the services they need, including prescriptions, being able to choose a doctor and visits from the district nurse, free of charge and to provide a single benefit, say around £100 a week, to everyone who is not in work, regardless of their condition. Then we would get away from all this angst about whether someone is really disabled, is the deserving sick or non deserving sick, whether they are still disabled, and on and on and on.

jaywal321

zagfles wrote: »

The article says
I can't see how he'd only get that:

Please forgive me for replying if this is the wrong board, but Idon't knowwhat to do. I am 69 years old and wonder if I am entitled to disability benefit. I already get housing benefit which includes council tax discount due to me being a carer for my son who has a mental health illness. I don't receive money for caring as anyone over 60 does not get a caring allownance.

I have become deaf recently and waiting for a hearing aid which up here takes many weeks. I also am suffering from depression due to the loss of my second daughter almost 2 years ago. I worked for over 30 years and raised my 4 grandchildren after their parents died- I also have arthritis of the spine which has only recently curtailed my walking far and standing for too long. I also have Graves disease which is partly alleviated since radiation treatment.

My council has halved my housing benefit as my youngest grand daughter set up home with her partner recently , so my rent has doubled to 360 pounds a month. I am on state pension and an occupational pension both which amount to 800 pounds per month.
This is adequate I know, especially as my disabled son is very generous to me, but my electricity is very high and I have to run a car as i cannot carry shopping or walk too far, and i have to take my son to clinics and doctors on a regular basis.

To be honest, I am at fault a lot because at the moment My youngest son is out of work and living mostly on peoples settees, but he eats at my house daily and has become bad tempered and difficult since nursing his sister through her last illness, so I feel i cannot refuse him help.
I have another son who has asbergers and comes daily to ask for help andhe was refused disability with empysema and told he can work. My grandson is out of work just now and needs to have some meals with us too every week.

IF it were not for my disabled son who lives with me I would be stuck. We have to look for another house quickly as the housing benfit cut is affecting the build up of rent which is accruing dail.

I don't know what to do, or which board i should be on.

Thank you.

Jemmy

jaywal321

I am getting muddled about where to post. I tried disability forum, and wondered if there is an answer to my question. I tried putting on my posting to favourites, but don't know if I got a reply jaywal/jemmy

lanza

jaywal321 wrote: »

I am getting muddled about where to post. I tried disability forum, and wondered if there is an answer to my question. I tried putting on my posting to favourites, but don't know if I got a reply jaywal/jemmy

they are unhelpful and unsympathetic lot here. Be warned a great deal of members here log on to find out information that will help them get an edge on everybody else.

They really are not interested in people with genuine problems. Many here are likely to be nasty and blame you for your predicament, or focus on some little detail and give you a hard time, just to practise their "skillz". but they cant get away with that now, (thanks to people like me hounding them) so they ignore requests for help, as they dont have the mental capacity to actually do so.

I would say to go to a particular section, but you are better trying the consumer action group forums. far better class of people.

dktreesea

jaywal321 wrote: »

zagfles wrote: »

The article says
I can't see how he'd only get that:

Please forgive me for replying if this is the wrong board, but Idon't knowwhat to do. I am 69 years old and wonder if I am entitled to disability benefit. I already get housing benefit which includes council tax discount due to me being a carer for my son who has a mental health illness. I don't receive money for caring as anyone over 60 does not get a caring allownance.

I have become deaf recently and waiting for a hearing aid which up here takes many weeks. I also am suffering from depression due to the loss of my second daughter almost 2 years ago. I worked for over 30 years and raised my 4 grandchildren after their parents died- I also have arthritis of the spine which has only recently curtailed my walking far and standing for too long. I also have Graves disease which is partly alleviated since radiation treatment.

My council has halved my housing benefit as my youngest grand daughter set up home with her partner recently , so my rent has doubled to 360 pounds a month. I am on state pension and an occupational pension both which amount to 800 pounds per month.
This is adequate I know, especially as my disabled son is very generous to me, but my electricity is very high and I have to run a car as i cannot carry shopping or walk too far, and i have to take my son to clinics and doctors on a regular basis.

To be honest, I am at fault a lot because at the moment My youngest son is out of work and living mostly on peoples settees, but he eats at my house daily and has become bad tempered and difficult since nursing his sister through her last illness, so I feel i cannot refuse him help.
I have another son who has asbergers and comes daily to ask for help andhe was refused disability with empysema and told he can work. My grandson is out of work just now and needs to have some meals with us too every week.

IF it were not for my disabled son who lives with me I would be stuck. We have to look for another house quickly as the housing benfit cut is affecting the build up of rent which is accruing dail.

I don't know what to do, or which board i should be on.

Thank you.

Jemmy

I suggest you go to the citizens advice bureau, rather than the council. Council officers, in my experience, tend to be overworked and not up to date with the neverending changes in all of the various pieces of legislation coving benefits. The citizens advice bureau tend to have a good overview so would be able to untangle who is entitled to what and point you in the right directions to get it all sorted.

Coopdivi

lanza wrote: »

Considering your previous error in comprehension of not being able to distinguish the concept of "some" from "everybody" and now this, I think you clearly have either an english understanding problem or a deficit in rational thinking. Or perhaps both.

I said

"Originally Posted by lanza
I give up, this forum is a shambles now, or maybe it always was. I guess this is what money does to peoples brains."

if i am entertaining the idea this place always was a shambles, then clearly, by something called logic which defines something called time. that would include the time period of 3 months ago.

Or let me make it clear. Always would include the time period from now, back to the start of the forum.

The time period of 3 months IS a subset of the time period "always"

I thought you were giving up?

Welcome back

BigMummaF

HoHum...as said earlier in the thread--so many armchair experts, & no doubt a fair few who have been fortunate to not have experienced first hand, how it feels to be looked upon as a second-class citizen. Sometimes the worst offenders as those who had an episode 35 years ago & think the same criteria still applies today :huh: or is that just in my family.

I mean no disrespect to you Ross in any shape or form, but you are able to show people the bits that are not working as they should. Much is written of the "bad back excuse" so when you really do have spinal injuries, no-one ever believes you :mad: Other than carrying copies of MRI scans everywhere you go, what else can you do
The funniest thing of recent months was a jobentre lady talking about her own sciatica, & professing her friend as having "exactly the same pain" as the claimant sat in front of her "but she still got into work every day". As the meeting ended, the interviewee began to walk away & said to me with a straight face: "Was tempted to ask if she got pain in her left testicle too" as he passed my chair. Just about sums it up doesn't it :rotfl:

dktreesea wrote: »

....
The benefits system is meant to provide an income to meet basic needs. Surely both the able bodied and the disabled have the same needs for food, a warm home, suitable clothing, sufficient money to buy a bus ticket now and then, a telephone? I would even go so far as to say internet and TV are essential nowadays. They are both capable of having a positive effect on people's mental health. Why should being able bodied mean you get at least a third less to meet your basic needs than a disabled person would get?....

Agreed it should not, but who came up with the abysmal levels of "Basic Pay", and that is a whole different topic.
I think you'll find that the majority of folk with a 'disability' spend more cash on heating as they are at home more, & not everyone on Benefit is entitled to free prescriptions/ dentist/ help with travel costs to hospitals, etc.