Is it really compulsory to go on the Work Programme

saintjammyswine

GotToChange wrote: »

...one individual may not - but there may be a plentiful supply (admittedly with one arm forced behind their back).


And - to saintjimmyswine...
Yes, "slavery" is an emotive term - but it is also an elastic one and one that you may be ina position to sneer at the use of; someone on the receiving end of the push into the "wonderful" (unpaid-but-yay-you-will-get-a-reference/recent-experience-and-your-travel-expenses-covered-I]possibly[/I) position will definitely see it rather different than you.
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Yes I sneer at the use of the term slavery. It is not slavery and to say it is stretches the word elastic somewhat. I have worked with people on this Work Programme (in the larger definition rather than the Maximus/A4e Work Programme element of the Work Programme) and it does work and provide opportunities. Not for everyone of course, some simply wont engage with it and for some it is of no use and for some they are put with an employer trying to get free labour.

LadyMissA

GotToChange wrote: »

This programme is for the benefit of the "employer", not the "employee". It is blatantly clear.

This has been discussed at length all over the web.

And everyone on the Work Programme works for an employer? NO!

saintjammyswine

GotToChange wrote: »

This programme is for the benefit of the "employer", not the "employee". It is blatantly clear.

This has been discussed at length all over the web.

Well if its been discussed on the web that must be a balanced debate with representation from all parties including those who have benefitted. There are employers who are taking it seriously and not simply using it to get free labour.

falko89

LadyMissA wrote: »

I keep asking you this but no one replies, where are you going to be working for free?

I am not working for free or otherwise, but when my time comes for the work programme I will have to work for free, and not for JSA even as I won't be entitled to it.

LadyMissA

falko89 wrote: »

I am not working for free or otherwise, but when my time comes for the work programme I will have to work for free, and not for JSA even as I won't be entitled to it.

So when you go to the WP you have been told you will have to work 35 hours for free?

saintjammyswine

LadyMissA wrote: »

So when you go to the WP you have been told you will have to work 35 hours for free?

You do between 2 - 8 weeks work experience at up to 30 hours per week.

LadyMissA

saintjammyswine wrote: »

You do between 2 - 8 weeks work experience at up to 30 hours per week.

How far into the WP will this be?

GotToChange

LadyMissA wrote: »

And everyone on the Work Programme works for an employer? NO!

....you're losing me....

?

I am referring to the Work Programme in it's broadest sense (mainly under A4e banner -*makes cross symbol*); the work experience I mean is the "work-based activity" that those on the WP (referred by the JCP) may have to undertake....

LadyMissA

GotToChange wrote: »

....you're losing me....

?

I am referring to the Work Programme in it's broadest sense (mainly under A4e banner -*makes cross symbol*); the work experience I mean is the "work-based activity" that those on the WP (referred by the JCP) may have to undertake....

I am not losing anyone. You are all talking about working for free on the WP and I have been on it since August and I have it confirmed that no one goes to work anywhere unless the company actually have a job and just want to trial you for a week. No talk of a work placememt or work experience at all and I have that in writing from the Ops Director from the provider.

saintjammyswine

GotToChange wrote: »

....you're losing me....

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I am referring to the Work Programme in it's broadest sense (mainly under A4e banner -*makes cross symbol*); the work experience I mean is the "work-based activity" that those on the WP (referred by the JCP) may have to undertake....

The wider Work Programme includes the Work Programme (confusing as they have the same name!!) which is the Maximus/A4e/CDG programme that you are on for 2 years. It includes Pre Employment Training, Work Experience, guaranteed interview and if the customer gets employment they are supported until the end of the 2 years by the main contractor (as listed).