Asda, if you've got a pram, presume your on the rob!

vickynleon

i can understand why they are coming onto you when you are putting stuff into a bag for life as these are to place your shopping in once you pay, thats the reason they supply shopping basket, i work ina shop and you'd be suprised how obviously people walk out with things but because they don't hid what they are doing people just assume they have paid so that is the reason they will watch you, they have a job to keep, but the fact that they are watching you because you've got a pram is unfair but i assume its because they know you can easily walk out with things without even remembering.

custardy

I usually prop at basket on the top of the pram onto the handle
however I often put heavy stuff under the pram
always double check at the till,its all clear
never had an issue in Asda or any other supermarket

blossomhill_2

Well OP I think you risk an attack of baby-brain and forgetting you've got stuff there, so they may be doing you a favour - it comes on without warning and when I was 9months preg I suddenly couldn't understand the money in my hand

But I wish I had a £1 for every shopper I have seen openly walking thru the til of Tesco with a 9 pack of loo roll on the hook of their trolley - so I don't agree that shoplifters conceal what they are doing - I've twice seen people run into Oxford Street shops and take a whole row of clothes on hangars off the rail and out to a waiting van, also seen in Staines

Only yesterday I watched a posh woman try to steal 4 x 9-packs of Andrex in Tesco, left them in her trolley instead of onto the belt then a not-very-convincing lean-in towrds the tilloperator with a quick joke, to block her view. Then when she was packing she saw me watching and showed them to the operator so they could be scanned.

Tigsteroonie

In Tesco, I'll balance the basket on the hood of the buggy - but then I'll only be buying a few light items anyway.

In Aldi & Lidl (no basket), I just stack stuff wherever I can on the buggy - hood, pocket, basket.

Arthurian

powerful_Rogue wrote: »

Theft takes place the moment you dishonestly appropriate property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it. So placing a DVD down the back of your trousers clearly meets the above definition.

The reason store security stop people after they have left the shop/past the tills as it makes the case stronger, but thats not to say they couldnt approach you in store for thieving.

Really? I always thought it's not theft until it leaves the shop. Could you give any link to legislation or law reports, or failing that, newspaper reports? I'd be most interested.

OP, if it happens again, perhaps you could look relieved and thank the manager for coming to help you as he's obviously seen you struggling with the shopping and a pram.

Valli

Arthurian wrote: »

Really? I always thought it's not theft until it leaves the shop. Could you give any link to legislation or law reports, or failing that, newspaper reports? I'd be most interested.

THEFT ACT 1968
1. Basic definition of theft
(1) A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to
another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and ‘theft’ and ‘steal’
shall be construed accordingly.
(2) It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made
for the thief’s own benefit.
(3) The five following sections of this Act shall have effect as regards the
interpretation and operation of this section (and, except as otherwise provided by this Act,
shall apply only for purposes of this section).
2. ‘Dishonestly’
(1) A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as
dishonest-
(a) if he appropriates the property in the belief that he has in law the right to
deprive the other of it, on behalf of himself or of a third person; or
(b) if he appropriates the property in the belief that he would have the other’s
consent if the other knew of the appropriation and the circumstances of it; or
(c) (except where the property came to him as trustee or personal representative)
if he appropriates the property in the belief that the person to whom the
property belongs cannot be discovered by taking reasonable steps.
(2) A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another may be dishonest
notwithstanding that he is willing to pay for the property.
3. ‘Appropriates’
(1) Any assumption by a person of the rights of an owner amounts to an appropriation,
and this includes, where he has come by the property (innocently or not) without stealing it,
any later assumption of a right to it by keeping or dealing with it as owner.

since you ask.


However it is 'usual' for the person doing the thieving to be 'allowed' to leave the store or at least pass through the checkouts thus proving the thief had no intention of paying because he/she has not paid. It is not, however, necessary but it deprives the thief of the chance of using the defence that he/she had every intention of paying but was prevented from doing so.

custardy

Arthurian wrote: »

Really? I always thought it's not theft until it leaves the shop. Could you give any link to legislation or law reports, or failing that, newspaper reports? I'd be most interested.

OP, if it happens again, perhaps you could look relieved and thank the manager for coming to help you as he's obviously seen you struggling with the shopping and a pram.

I would think if it went to court, that you stuffed an item of shopping down your crotch
the court would be inclined to believe you didnt intend paying for them

powerful_Rogue

Arthurian wrote: »

Really? I always thought it's not theft until it leaves the shop. Could you give any link to legislation or law reports, or failing that, newspaper reports? I'd be most interested.

OP, if it happens again, perhaps you could look relieved and thank the manager for coming to help you as he's obviously seen you struggling with the shopping and a pram.

As the two above me have posted

OnceUponADream

I used to put items in the buggy basket under the seat and I was never looked at, stalked (to my knowledge) or asked my intentions.

Maybe I have an innocent face!

And thieves are brazen and would happily waltz out of a store with a buggy or even a trolley load of loot without a backward glance.

Arthurian

Thanks, Valli, custardy and powerful_rogue - I was thinking of people putting things in and under prams, while they go round the supermarket, rather than stuffing things down their trousers! I still don't really see how it can be dishonest appropriation (theft) if the customer was going to pay for the goods at the till.
2. ‘Dishonestly’
(1) A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as
dishonest-
(a) if he appropriates the property in the belief that he has in law the right to
deprive the other of it, on behalf of himself or of a third person; or
(b) if he appropriates the property in the belief that he would have the other’s
consent if the other knew of the appropriation and the circumstances of it