Property I let has been sub-let and I'm upset!

Scooby_Man

robwend wrote:

i found the address of the landlord of the house next door that went btl very easily, i threatend that everytime his tenants kicked off i was commin knocking on his door to sort is whatever time of night it was. i do hope your tenants havnt upset the other neighbours and it comes back on your when you have no idea

If you read the rest of this thread you'll note that I have already addressed this point: the neighbours have been quite complimentary about them comparing with another set of australian folks who are also renting on the same road.

Also, just because some tenants are bad, doesn't mean you beat the landlord up over it - there is a process around how things should be handled.

Scooby_Man

Loretta wrote:

Ido understand the position you are in, you are saying I am in a mess and it must be SOMEONE'S fault, it is it is your fault.

'Opinions are like ar53holes...' is the saying that springs to mind. Despite whose fault you think it is, it will not perturb me from pursuing the matter with the EA.

Loretta wrote:

I did not say I am old I said I have learned from life's experiences, you can be worldly wise at 12 and live to be 100 and have learned nothing other than it must be someone else's fault.

My opinion from what you write is that you still have a lot to learn from the real world. Your posts remind me of the couch academics who think they have travelled the world by looking at an atlas.

Loretta wrote:

The agent YOU chose found you a tenant, if you were not happy about these tenants you could have asked the agent to find you other tenats.

The fact is that after some input from the estate agent I was happy to go ahead. Also, in the real world paying, an agent 10% in fees and trying to boot some tenants out to get new tenants, along with a refund, when your rent is getting paid is not particularly easy. It's like buying a car using it and deciding you dont like it and asking the dealer for another model, even though the test drive was fine.

Loretta wrote:

It seems obvious to me that 4 single men from a country where workers are flooding into this country to find work, everyone you meet these days is saying ' how many polish plumbers do we need' so you must have heard it too, must be aware of what could happen, I could have worked it out and so would many other 'aware' people.

Wow - if everyone in the world was like you then no one would have any problems. I bet your 'awareness' so transcedental that you dont go to the cinema because you always know what the outcome of a film is going to be.

Loretta wrote:

You chose these tenants. After that it was up to you, the agent had done their job.

No. The Agent chose these tenants. I had entrusted the agent to find me good tenants, do the background checks and take their advice - all something that I paid for.

Loretta wrote:

At the first sign of trouble you did nothing. When you first thought something was wrong, or that the tenants were subletting, was this prohibited in your tenancy agreement? or the place was looking messy or they would not let you in, that is the time to start doing something. Why did you wait until things have reached this stage.

Re-read the posts and you'll realise that I did do something. The point is that, now we have reached the stage where they expect their deposit back, I am not prepared to give it.

Loretta wrote:

You could have used your key to get in, I pesume that in your tenancy agreement it states that locks were not to be changed, if the locks had been changed you were within your rights to ask a locksmith to gain entry for you, presuming you had given the notice that was stated in your tenancy agreement for inspections. I presume that a detailed inventory was done at the start of the tenancy? If it was and you are happy for the tenancy to continue to the end you attend a check out with your original tenants, go through you original detailed inventory and make a note of any descrepencies, obtain quotes to put any damage or excessive wear and tear back to it's original condition, deduct the cost from the deposit and if any money is left return it to the tenants. If they owe you more than the deposit you decide to chase them for the excess. In other words you act like a professional Landlord.

All that good stuff was done - you're quoting text book stuff here. Remember, the problem is that the original tenants were gone, I had no trace, I was still getting my rent. The agent sent a letter recently asking whether they wanted to renew - it just so happens I bumped into the original tenant who knew from the Agent that I did not want to renew the tenancy. Re the locks statement - you have completely missed the point - locks were added internally, so i didn't have the keys.

Loretta wrote:

Cutting corner never works out. The way to deal with Landlord/tenant problems is the preperation BEFORE the start of the tenancy so that everyone knows where they stand. If that preperation is not done, this is the sort of trouble that happens.

You need to take the blinkers off. I have come across many landlord/tenant cases where everything was prepared to a tee prior to the tenancy commencing and at the end of the tenancy what happened makes my situation look like mickey mouse. In fact, you should read other posts in this forum and you will realise real life isn't as easy as you may think it is.

Loretta wrote:

If you felt intimitated by the people living in the house maybe you are not cut out for this type of occupation and perhaps you should think carefully before you do it again. There is never an easy way to earn money, whatever people think.

This is now absurd. If one feels intimidated by nutters who drive around causing road rage, does that mean one should not drive at all? I wasn't intimated until recently.

FYI, I have rented a number of properties over the years and made some extremely handsome returns. From my experience, I recommend anyone in the right situation to do so. OK, you lose here and there, but in the long run, if you can ride out the storm, you DO gain. I am now in the process of remortgaing one of my investment propertys to free up some equity that can be used as a deposit for another btl.

Perhaps you're someone who has aspired to be a landlord, but never been able to do it and maybe you're trying to convince yourself based on this case that it wasn't the right thing.

robwend

Scooby_Man wrote:

If you read the rest of this thread you'll note that I have already addressed this point: the neighbours have been quite complimentary about them comparing with another set of australian folks who are also renting on the same road.

Also, just because some tenants are bad, doesn't mean you beat the landlord up over it - there is a process around how things should be handled.

sorry i missed the but about your neighbours sayin they werer good tenants, also yes i do have to beat the landlord when he has put in problem tenants who beat each other and smash the house up , its the landlord responsibility, its your home , you own it, you are obliged to make contact with your tenants and sort it out one way or the other, you cant buy a house ,rent it out, have problems then pass the buck.the solution lies with the landlord:)

Scooby_Man

robwend wrote:

sorry i missed the but about your neighbours sayin they werer good tenants, also yes i do have to beat the landlord when he has put in problem tenants who beat each other and smash the house up , its the landlord responsibility, its your home , you own it, you are obliged to make contact with your tenants and sort it out one way or the other, you cant buy a house ,rent it out, have problems then pass the buck.the solution lies with the landlord:)

Beat each other and smash the house up? If the landlord is happy with that, then there is no problem.

As for noise - i'd recommend getting in touch with the council who will get noise meters set up and can really get the tenants in trouble if they are that noisy. This happened with one of my tenants - the neighbours constantly complained about their noise to me, and after speaking to the tenants they said the neighbours were being unreasonable and were noisy themselves. The council got involved and found that my tenants were perfectly within normal noise regulations. I think there are a lot of people who just hate living next to a rented house and will nit pick at everything - but thats life!

BTW, in the said case, the neighbours used your tactic of trying to 'harass' me when my tenants were loud. I politely pointed out some legal facts to them and I was never bugged again - and I took the step of getting the council involved.

robwend

Scooby_Man wrote:

Beat each other and smash the house up? If the landlord is happy with that, then there is no problem.

As for noise - i'd recommend getting in touch with the council who will get noise meters set up and can really get the tenants in trouble if they are that noisy. This happened with one of my tenants - the neighbours constantly complained about their noise to me, and after speaking to the tenants they said the neighbours were being unreasonable and were noisy themselves. The council got involved and found that my tenants were perfectly within normal noise regulations. I think there are a lot of people who just hate living next to a rented house and will nit pick at everything - but thats life!

BTW, in the said case, the neighbours used your tactic of trying to 'harass' me when my tenants were loud. I politely pointed out some legal facts to them and I was never bugged again - and I took the step of getting the council involved.

well my problems solved.i sold up. but i do hope you never get to live next door to rentals that have a slack landlord, i feel as you are sitting on the other side of the fence ,as a landlord you dont have a clue.oh sorry i forgot your not really a landlord are you, coz you let other people run your propertys, your just a mortgage owner. so really pointless convo on my part, sorry:)

Herb

You were just unlucky - as it has been pointed out it could have been a house full of air crew who trashed the place.

I advertise my properties in Polish.

I will take a Polish tenant ANY day of the week over some of the more local scum that have ripped me off over the years.

Scooby_Man

robwend wrote:

well my problems solved.i sold up. but i do hope you never get to live next door to rentals that have a slack landlord, i feel as you are sitting on the other side of the fence ,as a landlord you dont have a clue.oh sorry i forgot your not really a landlord are you, coz you let other people run your propertys, your just a mortgage owner. so really pointless convo on my part, sorry:)

I've lived next door to people who own the house and probably had worse experiences than most who live next to tenants. No one becomes a landlord for the fun of it - its to make money at the end of the day and everyone has there own means of getting there. As long as someone acts within the law, its up to them how to handle things.

Scooby_Man

Herb wrote:

You were just unlucky - as it has been pointed out it could have been a house full of air crew who trashed the place.

I advertise my properties in Polish.

I will take a Polish tenant ANY day of the week over some of the more local scum that have ripped me off over the years.

The best tenants I have had were HB tenants....and the worst tenant I have had was also a HB tenant! These Polish guys are somewhere in the middle...And if you are looking for some Polish tenents I'd be happy to pass your details on to them

Loretta

Scooby_Man, when you first posted you seemed desperate for advice on how to get your home back, now it seems that you are just looking for someone to argue with.

You have descended into making rather personal comments which show how very unaware your are.

Your time maybe better spent sorting out your problem now you have explained to us that you know how to do it yourself after all.

Now you have told us how successful you are perhaps you should be spending some of that money getting proper professional advice.

People on this form willingly give their time, knowledge, life experience and support to try and help someone who is having a difficult time. You are taking advantage of this forum member's generosity

Herb

Loretta

I dont know you or Scooby_man from Adam or Eve - but I know what i have read here.

I do not think that SM has been overly personal - it looks as if he has just risen to challenge the tirade of smug comments by yourself.

Loretta wrote:

I am not a landlord or a tenant and I have never been involved in anyway with this situation

You have already admitted that you have absolutely no experience of this subject - so why get involved?

Loretta wrote:

You are taking advantage of this forum member's generosity

By "this forum member" you must mean yourself - very self-righteous.