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sabretoothtigger wrote: »Its been a while since we or the Greek had bears or that many woods even.
Although the UK is largely deforested (10% according to Wikipedia) and devoid of any bears in the wild, Greece still has considerable areas (30% of total land) of forests and woodlands (another 20%) and a population of around 200 brown bears.
And with the same certainty that bears do their bodily functions in the woods, it's still business as usual for Greek politicians and their cronies...
A few recent examples:
-Employees of the Parliament were supposed to receive a €4000 electoral bonus each (for the 2 recent elections), this was reduced to "only" €1000 by the previous Speaker of the House. Now they claim that they are unfairly targeted.
-The Court of Auditors this week finally denied the applications of around 500 MPs and former MPs that requested retroactive pay rises, similar that court judges received in 2006.
-Allegedly leaked documents from the office of the current deputy minister of economics, Kostas Staikouras, show that he had an elaborate system of hiring, providing favourable transfers in the army, etc in return for votes.You wanna hear about my new obsession?
I'm riding high upon a deep recession...0 -
Greece will need additional help from its European partners as soon as next year to bring its huge debt under control, a senior IMF official has said.
"There is a gap according to our preliminary projections for 2015-2016" of up to "€9.5bn," Poul Thomsen, the IMF's mission chief for Greece, told a conference call.
The EU and IMF have committed a total of €240bn in rescue loans to Greece since 2010, but with its economy entering a sixth year of recession it is still having trouble making budget ends meet, AFP reported.
"The IMF's policy is that the programme needs to be fully financed for the 12 months ahead... What is key is that the Europeans know there is a gap and they'll have to fill it," he said.
Telegraph.co.uk
Shocker! :eek: Who'd have thunk it?! :rotfl:
There is a pleasure in the pathless woods, There is a rapture on the lonely shore, There is society, where none intrudes, By the deep sea, and music in its roar: I love not man the less, but Nature more...0 -
worldtraveller wrote: »Greece will need additional help from its European partners as soon as next year to bring its huge debt under control, a senior IMF official has said.
"There is a gap according to our preliminary projections for 2015-2016" of up to "€9.5bn," Poul Thomsen, the IMF's mission chief for Greece, told a conference call.
The EU and IMF have committed a total of €240bn in rescue loans to Greece since 2010, but with its economy entering a sixth year of recession it is still having trouble making budget ends meet, AFP reported.
"The IMF's policy is that the programme needs to be fully financed for the 12 months ahead... What is key is that the Europeans know there is a gap and they'll have to fill it," he said.
Telegraph.co.uk
Shocker! :eek: Who'd have thunk it?! :rotfl:
The solution is, was and remains the same: default.0 -
The solution is, was and remains the same: default.
Yes.....but not till after the elections in Germany. The charade needs to be kept up a little longer for Merkels sake.[FONT="]“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” ~ Maya Angelou[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]0 -
Have the Greeks actually DONE anything to address their overspending?
Or is it all just talk and asking for more bailouts?
Having read online and on forums what is happening to real people on the ground, its obvious there is a mass cover up in the media as to the realities in Greece. Benefits including pensions have been massively slashed. How many pensioner couples here could manage on 300 euros a MONTH. Many public sector workers have gone months without pay, one ex pat living out in a village in greece wrote her local bobby is owed 12 months pay, but says if he doesn't do the job who will?
Taxes are being added on to fuel bills and oil, so people started burning wood again, so now the government is tightening controls on who cuts what trees down and slapping extra taxes on wood sold for burning.
There is huge unemployment (over 30% and rising) and many who have lost their jobs in the towns and cities moving back to the land to grow food just to avoid starving.
The vast majority of all the bailout money is simply paid into an escrow account and purely goes to service debt interest-hmm who gets most of that ah yes the Germans. So its in German interests to keep the "bailouts" rolling.
Many pharmacists haven't been paid for drugs issued under government schemes for months and drugs are in short supply anyway, so local schemes are springing up where when someone dies the drugs are collected up and redistrubuted to those who need it.
TBH I am amazed there hasn't been widespread revolt, I can't see people in this country dealing with such a dire living situation without mass outcry.
I have found the BBC and British media to be either very blinkered or deliberately not reporting many stories, I find the news channels that are more "world" based to be much more use-try Al jazzera (english) channel or euro news for a wider view of world events.
Ali x"Overthinking every little thing
Acknowledge the bell you cant unring"0 -
TBH I am amazed there hasn't been widespread revolt, I can't see people in this country dealing with such a dire living situation without mass outcry.
This saying captures the situation.
"You've made your bed, now lie in it"
Up to the Greek people themselves to decide the way forward.0 -
Sadly though its the politicians and those at the top who made all the decisions and continue to do so, and as sure as turkeys won't vote for Christmas those piggies want to keep their noses in the trough.
Ali x"Overthinking every little thing
Acknowledge the bell you cant unring"0 -
TBH I am amazed there hasn't been widespread revolt, I can't see people in this country dealing with such a dire living situation without mass outcry.
So am I. But the people in most of the Euro countries seemed to be brain-washed into believing that there is no way out of it, and in some cases are being sleep-walked into autocracy and permanent austerity. It is very puzzling.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
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[STRIKE]When[/STRIKE] if all these countries get glued together fully under the master plan what is going to happen to them?
Are they all going to flatten out into modest wealth or will there still be wealthy zones and poor zones.
Once the greek welfare has been balanced (pensioners on <300e per month etc) public servants on 750e and numbers of them are purely subsisting, europe is paying the welfare bill will europe then start paying welfare + to equalise across europe? Will they be left to live on their 300e when the equivelant recipient in say Bonn is on 600e?
All figures pie in the sky examples."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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