Greece...

Graham_Devon

wotsthat wrote: »

Next Thursday a Greek can hop on Easyjet and be in London a couple of hours later for €80.

And they do what once they walk out of Heathrow?

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Good for you.

It's not quite that easy though if you have no money to back your move up with.

You also need to remember that in Greece, family appears to be more important, often looking after each other. Just upping and leaving would be very difficult if you are leaving behind relatives who will suffer even more if you go.

you're having a Diane Abbott moment

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

you're having a Diane Abbott moment

If you disagree, state why.

Slightly harder than your response, I grant you.

Surely we HAVE to understand that money alone does not drive every single nation and person out there. Faith, Family, it's all a driver to the choices people make.

If people won't recognise this, and instead apply their own mindset of money being the most important thing to seek out in the world, then they will always find themselves confused as to why others don't do as they do.

antrobus

Graham_Devon wrote: »

....It was. The recent report from the IMF shows that it was supposed to provide growth in order that the debts could be afforded.

The "recent report from the IMF" actually said that;

By late summer 2014, with interest rates having declined further, it appeared that no further debt relief would have been needed under the November 2012 framework, if the program were to have been implemented as agreed. But significant changes in policies since then—not least, lower primary surpluses and a weak reform effort that will weigh on growth and privatization—are leading to substantial new financing needs.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/cat/longres.aspx?sk=43044.0

The IMF are stating that it is Greece's failure to implement the agreed framework, and its weak reform effort, that is weighing on growth.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

And they do what once they walk out of Heathrow?

You're funny. Get on a train and visit London for the first time - you'll find plenty of Europeans who managed to negotiate the road from Heathrow to a job.

Africans take to the high seas gambling Europe will take them in rather than letting them commit suicide. Little did they know the biggest risk they were taking was having insufficient rainy day money in the back pocket.

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

No, I think the problem with Greece is that its government has run out of money. Its revenues are insufficient to pay even its day-to-day bills, let alone make a dent in its debt pile.

Which is why Greece wants a third bailout; i.e more money.

Over the past couple of years the Government has run a 'primary surplus', i.e. it has more than been paying its own way but for the debt repayments.

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/greece-and-primary-surpluses.html

TheBlueHorse

i had a twang of sympathy for the Greeks until I saw them dancing in the street after the No vote. Dancing!!! Efffing Dancing.


At least look contrite, even if you're not.


"Sorry we took all this money and now can't pay it back. We'll do our best but we really really need help" would be helpful.


Instead we get "up yours, keep paying and expect nothing back. how dare your citizens feel aggrieved that they must work until 67 paying tax every month so we can pay no tax and retire on full pay at 50 - let's dance in the street".


Makes me want to see them suffer more.

TheBlueHorse

Graham_Devon wrote: »

And they do what once they walk out of Heathrow?

claim their freebies.


there are immigrants in France literally dying to get here for the freebies.

Generali

TheBlueHorse wrote: »

i had a twang of sympathy for the Greeks until I saw them dancing in the street after the No vote. Dancing!!! Efffing Dancing.


At least look contrite, even if you're not.


"Sorry we took all this money and now can't pay it back. We'll do our best but we really really need help" would be helpful.


Instead we get "up yours, keep paying and expect nothing back. how dare your citizens feel aggrieved that they must work until 67 paying tax every month so we can pay no tax and retire on full pay at 50 - let's dance in the street".


Makes me want to see them suffer more.

Who do you think 'took all this money'?

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

If you disagree, state why.

Slightly harder than your response, I grant you.

Surely we HAVE to understand that money alone does not drive every single nation and person out there. Faith, Family, it's all a driver to the choices people make.

If people won't recognise this, and instead apply their own mindset of money being the most important thing to seek out in the world, then they will always find themselves confused as to why others don't do as they do.

My post was about your Diane Abbott moment and not about the (unwise) choices people make whilst wanting handouts from others.