Greece...

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Graham_Devon wrote: »

I'd be interested to know what question those of you thanking it would prefer to be asked?

The question should be no more than a sentence and include the most likely outcome of the choice being made.

Should Greece reject the proposals of the Eurogroup and as a consequence leave the Eurozone?

Whoever phrased the question is trying to manipulate a rejection of the proposals by wilfully ignoring the risk of Eurozone exit because they know most Greeks would like to stay in the Euro.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Seems to me those who are more Pro-EU aren't so upset about the wording, but are more upset that the referendum has even taken place. it was always going to be that way, same with the UK referendum.

It's beyond pro or anti EU - the future is highly uncertain whatever choice the Greeks make.

How much sympathy would you have for a homeowner who had borrowed at 6x income and was now looking for better lending terms or a debt write off after overspending on other stuff? My guess is none but you're hypocritical enough to put this to one side because you despise the lender more than the reckless borrower.

mayonnaise

danothy wrote: »

No, what you have here is a referendum on accepting a proposal that will have expired before the vote takes place.

http://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/tsipras-asking-grandma-to-figure-out-if-greek-debt-deal-is-fair/

Tsipras Asking Grandma to Figure Out If Greek Debt Deal Is Fair

The 68-word ballot question namechecks four international institutions and asks voters for their opinion on two highly technical documents that weren’t made public before the referendum call and were only translated into Greek on Saturday.
Worse, they may no longer be on the table. International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde told the BBC late on Saturday that “legally speaking, the referendum will relate to proposals and arrangements which are no longer valid.”

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danothy wrote: »

If those documents don't materialise then the Greek government will literally have not given people the tools to make an informed decision with the references.

If you give the man on the street all the required reference, do you think that a) they have the competence to understand it and b) they bother reading it?

Do you for instance assume that all the eligible to vote for the EU referendum will bother reading all the international treaties involved?

I don't think even the Greek government have a clue of what is indeed there.

At the end of the day the question is political and very clear: do we call it quits now or do you want more agony?

danothy

ciaccino wrote: »

If you give the man on the street all the required reference, do you think that a) they have the competence to understand it and b) they bother reading it?

I think if you ask a referendum question about specific documents and expect it to be "giv[ing] people the tools to make their own informed decision" then you must think those things.

ciaccino wrote: »

Do you for instance assume that all the eligible to vote for the EU referendum will bother reading all the international treaties involved?

Will the question be about those specific documents in that referendum?

Thrugelmir

cepheus wrote: »

Those lazy Greeks

Who said that they were lazy.

How about a chart comparing retirement ages or taxation paid?

Wish we all could retire at 52 or 55.

TheBlueHorse

the whole thing is rigged. The EU have not financed the banks so that the locals get a fright and vote YES. YES to more debt and YES to more EU and ever closer Union.

There is no way out. It's quick sand.

As for the UK referendum - pointless. The only issue people actually care about here is immigration and that seems to be the one issue off the table - free movement of people.

There needs to be a tiered EU. Premier League countries, Championship etc set by defined criteria. Then free movement within your league or below BUT not upwards. EASY.

Sapphire

'…comprises of…':rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::T:beer:

They can't even get the grammar right in important documents.:eek:

antrobus wrote: »

This is apparently the question to be asked in the Greek referendum

They're not exactly making it easy are they?

mystic_trev

Ἑλληνιστὶ πρὸς τοὺς παρόντας ἐκβοήσας, «Ἀνερρίφθω κύβος»

I_have_spoken

Looks like Gordon Brown will pop-up with a 'vow' the Greek people the day before the referendum. It worked once before!

antrobus

mystic_trev wrote: »

Ἑλληνιστὶ πρὸς τοὺς παρόντας ἐκβοήσας, «Ἀνερρίφθω κύβος»

Nid wyf yn deall yr hyn y mae hynny'n ei olygu.