CSA but ive never claimed??

thesaint

Zara33 wrote:

So your other oh writes the cheque out to whom the PWC or the boyfriend, if he is writing the cheques out to the boyfriend then how does that work. You say you have reported her to IS for getting IS and seperate payments from your bf why don't you just stop paying her the extra money and contact the CSA, if you want to do everything legal and above board, then at least your bf has proof that he is paying to support his child and doesn't get a nasty shock in a few months.

I wouldn't advise the stopping of payments, it is the child who is benefitting from them. The CSA may take months sorting it out.
All he (OH) needs to do is have proof of payment surely

Zara33

thesaint wrote:

Unless I am missing something, the OP has answered your question in the first paragraph of her post(the one you quoted).

Patronising indeed!:rolleyes:

You also seem to be actively encouraging others to carry on comitting benefit fraud, because that's exactly what they are doing.

thesaint

I must have mis-read then.

As I read it, albeit incorrectly, the OP made a claim for income support.
She told them when asked, that she did not want to claim via the CSA because she had a private arrangement up and running. She may not have any choice in the matter, but you asked her if she told Income support of her 'liitle arrangement'. I thought she did, but according to you she didn't.

Please do not say that I seem to be actively encouraging others to commit benefit fraud, it an accusation I find extremely rude and without basis.

Zara33

The OP can't choose whether or not the CSA get involved when claimimg IS, the only grounds that a PWC can get out of this clause is that the NRP is a danger to either the PWC or the child, and of course the other one that gets used often is that the PWC doesn't know who the father is.

If you are claiming IS i imagine a supplement of this is classed as child support hence the reason why the CSA get involved why should the PWC get money from IS plus the extra money on the side form the ex partner?
The PWC should inform IS that they are getting more money so that IS can then deduct payment accordingly.

By telling others not to inform the CSA of the arrangements made by other parties is encouraging fraud. The CSA may take a few weeks/months to sort things out but at least no one would get these shocking letters like the OP has got.
Anyway :beer:

sammy_kaye18

Hang on...............

Can i just clear something up

I claimed IS for about 5 months, until my bf movd in with me and then the claim was cancelled.

There was a box on the 'then' IS form asking if i wanted the CSA involved and i marked NO so i had a rep from the IR come to my hosue and see me abotu it, when she asked me i said i didnt want the CSA involved as me and my partner had an arrangement set up and that he was payign me £80 a month for our child and if the baby needed anythign else - clothes etc he was providing for that too which she said was fair enough and it is better to come to a mutual agreement between yourselfs rather than have a 3rd party involved in most cases.

So Yes the CSA and IS knew that we had this prior arrangement and we signed letters/notes saying the arrangement was in place.

Either way ive rung the CSA now and they have looked into it. They said the money that was owed would only have been whilst i was on Income Support but when they checked over the records from the initial form they have seen that i have never made a claim with the CSA and have never wanted them involved but they have said you dont have any choice when you are on IS. So I told them i came off IS after 5 months - still have a copy of the cancellation letter and they have agreed to clear his debt 9the one for our child) up until the time i came off Is so he may still owe me £320 but i can disregard these payments if i want to - i dont need to claim this money back off him - so his £900 debt has been cleared now.

He just has his other one to sort out with his ex

thesaint

I did not tell anyone who posted or who read this thread not to inform the CSA of the arrangements. Please quote me if I have done this.

I advised jellycat 40(not the OP) to tell her OH not to stop payments to his ex for his child. The few weeks/months you speak of is being extremely generous to the C.S.A.

We don't know if the ex is entitled to it or not, but jellycat 40 has already informed the relevant authorities, so I believe that they have done their part. Her other half will pay in arrears the money you advised to stop paying.
So who will gain from the stopped payments? Not the child.

Zara33

thesaint i think i will just agree to disagree with you on this one, if i have interpreted your words differently from what they were meant then i apologise!

If you are on IS you have a duty to inform IS of any other money that you receive, which include private arrangements made regarding child support.
The OP was in theory getting money from the secretary of state of both her and her child plus another lot of child support from the father.

thesaint

Zara 33,

You are flitting between information I gave to two different people on two separate issues.

The O.P. quite clearly said in the 1st paragraph of her 1st post that she had informed Income support what she was doing. I said quite clearly in the 1st paragraph in my reply that she doesn't have a choice in the matter with certain benefits.

You said she was committing benefit fraud, but as yet have not explained why.

I agree with you that we should agree to disagree.

sammy_kaye18, I'm glad you sorted it out. I hope the other part of your CSA problem gets sorted out as well.

Zara33

Ok my interpertation: the OP claims to have told IS that she did not want to claim CSA from ex partner, firstly you are not allowed to choose whether you should or should not receive payments from an absent parent, the CSA will only ignore the absent parent if they are a danger to the PWC or the child. So i assume the OP was mis informed she should not have been claiming money from the secretary of state and getting more money from the absent parent on the side. Why should she have been able to receive 2 amounts of child support just because she decided that she didn't want the CSA involved

OP i am quiet surprised you managed to clear £900.00 of debt in one phone call to the CSA as a debt collecting agency they should be collecting the arrears that you owe to the state.

As for jellycat well her OH is paying his child support again by personal arrangement when his ex is claiming IS, the reason why it is going via the new boyfriends bank account is so this money is not traceable when IS look at her claim again, so does jellycats OH really have proof that he has been paying maintenance.

So surely you can now see where the benefit fraud comes into here?
Also the child is not loosing out because the state is paying for this child already, as the state believe the NRP is untraceable, but in reality they are not both PWC are getting cash in hand!

kelloggs36

Regarding the ex and her 80 quid per month - unless she signs receipts which state THAT THE MONEY THAT HE HAS GIVEN HER IS SPECIFICALLY FOR CHILD SUPPORT it won't be deducted off what he owes as she can (and probably will) say that the money was paid to her for anything at all. She may surprise him and agree to state that the money he paid (and can prove he paid) was for maintenance! So even if he can prove he paid her, it won't be taken into account unless they both agree that it was for child maintenance.