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SM your dad will love it. I have seem grown men cry when their cut hay was rained on twice. You have to bear in mind the % accuracy and +/- timings but he does put updates on site, it is a bit hard to understand at first but you soon get used to his style

Re the paleo diet. My ds calls it a way of life and yes it is expensive but he no longer feels like junk food so it is swings and roundabouts. There are loads of cheap paleo meals eg omlettes, liver etc. You don`t feel hungry so don`t want to graze. I am not on it but I have cut out maincrop potatoes due to the low GI factor and tbh I have lots more energy, my tummy has gone smaller and I haven`t had indigestion since I started. We just sub parsnips, swede etc. I would love to go all the way but not until I have used up all my, massive, stockpile of rice, flour etc

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ESTHER - we eat 100g of protein as a portion now whatever we choose to have at that particular meal or 2 large eggs. I find the cheapest greens are cabbage (where you get a whole one for a price not per kilo) and go through the box for the biggest one! I always take advantage of reductions in meat, fish etc. and pop into the freezer what I am not using today. This keeps things to affordable in the budget. I also make loads of coleslaw which is cheap and filling. Kittie is right in saying you feel less hungry eating this way and as you are not buying bread, rice, pasta, cereals or potatoes it balances out. We also eat a lot of parsnips and sweet potato in not too large amounts along with swede, cauliflower and butternut squash all of which aren't too expensive. Our occasional treat is a Fincrisp Original Rye Crispbread with avocado on it - YUMMY!!!!! Cheers Lyn.

EstherH

Thanks Kittie and Lyn.

My meals tend to be 50-60gm meat if it is something like rubber chicken or other joint sliced. I have always found that I am hungrier after a rice meal where I use little meat at all. If I make a basic mince I bulk it out with loads of veg and oats and then cook. Then I turn it into shepherds pie, bolognaise, chilli etc by adding again so I can make it go further. Having learnt all this on here and having very little to spare it is very hard to get my head round the more meat less carbs idea. I do know that the price of potatoes is suppose to be rocketing because of the drought so we may be eating less of them but I too have huge stocks of rice and pasta.
DS stopped eating bread etc for a while and he was having something like two hundred and fifty grams of salmon with four scrambled eggs as one of his many meals a day. As a personal trainer he has to eat more than us normal mortals to maintain his weight, so you can imagine the food bills anyway.

Will have to think about it. Interesting though hearing it discussed on here. I have never heard anyone else mention it.

Esther x

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ESTHER - is 'cos hes a boy and its a well known fact that they are born with hollow legs and reserve tanks! There is a really good recipe book available at the moment called Paleo Comfort Food - we found one in Waterstones, have a look through it if you come across it and you'll see what is involved in day to day paleo. I've got a few books on my kindle and there are some written for the uk palate as opposed to the usa type recipes. Lots of them let you use mince so keeps the cost down a bit. Some of the Amazon books for kindle are free! Let us know how you get on. Good Luck, Lyn x.

EstherH

Thanks Lyn, comfort food sounds good. Esther x

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Esther that is mega protein in one go, he must be muscle-building. Ds is 6`2 and a tai kwando blackbelt and he cycles and does weights but I remember that he did say that his protein was 100g at a meal. He eats nuts but no pulses and he pours the oil from eg fish over his veg as he said that he has to have the extra calories for energy. He did also say that he uses coconut oil, which I have yet to find

I went shopping on the bus today (green hat on) and I came home tired. We get 2 hours between buses. I only went for a couple of things but I am taking my trolley next time as it adds up when you start adding extras. I haven`t been sleeping well the last few night, could be the wind being noisy or it could be me and achy joints and having to turn over frequently. I am sure the damp weather is affecting me. Anyway I am taking ibrufen tonight as an experiment

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Hi KITTIE - I haven't been sleeping too well of late and last night I realised I was cold! so extra blanket will be at the ready tonight - I hadn't been awake enough to think it through before but I was last night. Don't know if that might help? Cheers Lyn x.

EstherH

Hi Kittie, yes he is. He has to be able to do all that he is training his clients to do. So if they want to lift heavy weights he has to be able to lift heavier etc., also has all sorts of other exercise programmes as well.

He thought the Palio diet might help his clients and also he thought it would be good for me as I don't have any energy through health problems.

He said he would try it out first and he did feel a lot better for it but ran out of money and food before he ran out of month.

I suppose it is a case of substituting the more expensive for the cheaper proteins, but like I said, I have trained myself to bulk food out with veg and carbs and can't imagine meals without potatoes, rice or pasta. I never feel full for instance, if I have meat and salad without bread or potatoes (or preferably both).

Esther x

maryb

I tried that way of eating but I felt really unwell at the beginning and didn't push through. I also felt a bit bereft when I realised I would no longer be able to bake - it's an emotional thing with me. Then I read "Nourishing Traditions" and I found a balance that works for me. It's very much based on traditional ways of eating and gives a big thumbs up to meat and eggs and fish and milk and organ meats like liver. But it is NOT low fat. It uses full fat milk, butter, lard and dripping. Very little sugar. Grains feature much less and if you eat them they should be soaked for several hours before cooking to neutralise the phytic acid that stops you absorbing nutrients from the food (and I think I have also read that this also helps those who are gluten sensitive - though not full blown coeliacs) So I soak my porridge oats overnight which makes it even quicker in the morning and I've started eating (and making) sourdough bread and it is definitely more digestible.
I probably eat smaller portions now because I am making a big effort to eat grassfed meat and wild salmon, free range eggs and unhomogenised milk (having seen suggestions that homogenising milk alters the structure of the fat and makes it behave in ways similar to transfats). This sort of food has more Vitamin D because, like us, animals make Vitamin D in their skin from sunshine. And it's much more filling than flabby food, particularly wild salmon. The portions are about half the size of farmed salmon fillets but so rich that I often struggle to finish one. So overall it hasn't been more expensive.
I buy free range chicken from Aldi (£4.99 for 1.5 kg chicken)and their premium steak mince is from grass fed beef (on offer ATM £1.99 for 500g). They also do wild Atlantic frozen salmon very reasonably. I've found a good source for dry cured free range bacon and sausages at a farmers' market which works out a bit less than Waitrose and not much more than Sainsbury's prices. Plus a local farm raises lamb beef cattle to almost organic standards (and sends them to a small local slaughterhouse, so I know they've had a good, happy life) but doesn't want to go through the tick-box exercise of certification. Again, it's a bit cheaper than Waitrose and it's lovely meat.

So it's not Paleo but a lot of the principles overlap, it's definitely low GI, and I feel really well on it. Google Weston A Price foundation for more information. I would post a link but I find that when you click on it they have changed the pages so the link doesn't work

maryb

Kittie,
I meant to ask you - there's a report about the cold May forecast from Weatheraction in the Daily Express and several other papers which Piers Corbyn has commented on saying it's quite a good report and summary of what he has been saying. However one of the newspapers said it could be a good summer and it wasn't clear if that was from Piers's forecast or one of the other independent forecasters. I don't want to ask you to say anything you feel uncomfortable disclosing but is that based on Piers's forecast? He's gone public with the main points of his forecast so it's probably OK to discuss this up to a point