Nice people thread part 5 - nicely does it

chewmylegoff

PasturesNew wrote: »

And is that data actually available?

Your personal attributes are ..... and you live in ..... and expect to live in ..... or .... once you have a degree.... [a] Are there any jobs that you could do there, with that? How much do they pay? [c] Is it a growing job or a dying job in the next 5-8 years?

There isn't even any "now" data on "how many jobs of type X are there within Y miles of ....."

obviously there is no data which confirms that doing a degree will represent value for money, but there is some information - e.g. i think many universities publish stats for how many of their graduates are in full time employment, and they may even give information like average starting salary (all based on a survey of alumni so not the most reliable but better than nothing).

i think the point is that i don't know anyone who went to uni because they thought it was a way of getting a better job. everyone at my school went to uni because it was the natural next step after school. basically uni was an opportunity to put off entering the real world, learn to become independent of your parents etc. the actual degree came some way down the pecking order in terms of priorities. i don't think you could really justify choosing a university like that these days knowing how much it would cost you and how long it would take to pay off the loans. unless daddy was going to buy it for you, you'd need to think carefully about the risk/reward, payback period and return on capital.

the way i did it is probably not an ideal way for it to work either, but i greatly valued having three years of relatively leisurely time of effectively part-time study before the real world happened.

lostinrates

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probably not ideal way for it to work either, but i greatly valued having three years of relatively leisurely time of effectively part-time study before the real world happened.[/QUOTE]

possibly the best argument against the system staying as it was.

Doozergirl

lostinrates wrote: »

Lj, tbh i find that a little offensive but possibly why it wouldn 't be worth it to you.

Its not the process of digestion..the same for whatever you eaqt, but everything That goes with that... Not just excellent of taste but also including the produce that goes into the meal, thanks to fashion meat and animal products tend to be more ethically soruced at that price...though not universally, and employment. Thank fully, among other things, in such establishments being for example, waiting staff is treated aspirationally and with respect. To me its part of transfer of wealth and valuing others work....the chef yes, but the front of house staff, who like on the continent are people who don't view waiting as a mcjob but as something to be well remunerated for and do well. A very unbritish attitude out side some places, gradually being erorded.

I agree. How good is a cheap plate of food for everyone concerned, really? The animal, the server, the eater?

If we do have an expensive meal, it's the meal and the evening I remember, I've never remembered the poo! One of the best afternoons I've ever spent with H was at Gordon Ramsay's flagship. I don't regret a penny of it. I've regretted many cheaper meals out and wish I'd saved so many of them up, when I was just being lazy, to have a lovely meal somewhere.

Aside from what you can afford, I think whether you see it as providing value does depend on whether people see food as an indulgence or as fuel. I love food, I'm always thinking about the next meal I love beautiful rooms in lovely locations and being spoiled too

I do like Nandos though. I only buy free range chicken at home, but I can't help it. If there isn't the budget for posh food, you can take me to Nandos. I wonder what everyone's round trip for a Nandos is :cool:

Doozergirl

lostinrates wrote: »

possibly the best argument against the system staying as it was.

It would be if he wasn't using his degree.

silvercar

probably not ideal way for it to work either, but i greatly valued having three years of relatively leisurely time of effectively part-time study before the real world happened

I think young people grow up while at uni, which is a good thing.

lostinrates

Dg, i have never been to a nandos.....and in my life have probably spent less than £30 in MacD's. I am incredibly lucky becauose a lt of people have paid for me to eaty in nice places. I do believe i have been good value for money for them though, they asked me to go, werre not stong armed, and many have asked me many times, so must feel i am worth my portion of the bill. . I accpet this is something more likely to happen to women though, and well......tough. So is pmt, childbirth and regular hair removal. Its swings and roundabouts on the sexes seesaw i suppose.

lostinrates

Doozergirl wrote: »

It would be if he wasn't using his degree.

Good point. Not simething i can argue certainly! Bt would he have used his degree less if he had studied full time or worked to support himself?

Soory, chew, should probably revert to thie one rather than the he.

chewmylegoff

lostinrates wrote: »

possibly the best argument against the system staying as it was.

possibly, although once i got there i realised there was no point in not getting the best degree i could, i worked quite hard, got a first class degree, and then was able to choose a career which didn't require a specific degree. i guess you could still do that these days as you will always be able to go into e.g. accountancy, or just general management grad programmes without a specific qualification.

i don't think it's a great idea for people to effectively be railroaded into making choices about which subjects they do for financial purposes - you would be able to do something that interests you without fear that is three years wasted (except studying klingon or something lunatic like that).

you can't possibly have a proper idea of what you really want to do when you are 16/17 (which is when you would be making the choice - even 18 is way too early) but having so much financial pressure put on you means that people going into uni these days are presumably being forced to make a decisions on financial grounds.

if anything it just makes it more likely that everyone will want to be lawyers or bankers.

lostinrates

silvercar wrote: »

I think young people grow up while at uni, which is a good thing.

I think they do if they are enabled to by parents and circumstances. I think the financial consideration will force this a little harder potentially. I think others grow up during the same time period not at uni too though. In bother scenarios there are some who just don't

chewmylegoff

lostinrates wrote: »

Good point. Not simething i can argue certainly! Bt would he have used his degree less if he had studied full time or worked to support himself?

Soory, chew, should probably revert to thie one rather than the he.

well, i'm only using my degree in that you needed a degree to get a training contract to do an ACA qualification. i don't think i've ever applied anything specific from my degree (biotechnology) to my job!

on another point, i could have easily done the degree in one year, or worked full time and done it in the evenings over three years IMO. i'm glad i didn't have to do that, it would have been rubbish.