Shower not working

don0301

HappyMJ wrote: »

Do you have a copy of the Part P regs?

Look at page 9....

The fitting and replacement of electric showers is not notifiable unless a new circuit is needed.

if i misunderstood part p, hands up, im no expert. but its not the point.

its my understanding electrical work in a room with water, cannot legally be done DIY anymore. correct?

someone on here was stating that its ok for a competent DIYer to do such work.

thats pretty dodgy advice dont you think? (on a public forum)

keystone

don0301 wrote: »

simples....

Clearly.

Cheers

keystone

don0301 wrote: »

if i misunderstood part p, hands up, im no expert. but its not the point.

Sorry but thats entirely the point if you are making, apparently authorititive, "unlawful" statements concerning the subject

its my understanding electrical work in a room with water, cannot legally be done DIY anymore. correct?

Incorrect. A competant DIYer can do his own electrical work in a special location just as well as a non Part P electrician can. If that work is notifiable under Part P then either of them can then apply to LABC to do an inspection, pay their exorbitant fee and issue the Part P paperwork. Part P is a PITA paperchase - nothing more or less.

someone on here was stating that its ok for a competent DIYer to do such work.

Actually hes right if the work is notifiable and in that case said individual follows the Part P paperchase. Where you are correct on the future sales front is that if the work is notifiable but the Part P paperchase hasn't been followed that could cause problems. But such wouldn't make the installation unsafe it would just mean he doesn't have the paperwork. He's also right if the work is non-notifiable which in this case it would be.

thats pretty dodgy advice dont you think? (on a public forum)

Actually I don't but there we are.

Cheers

macman

The only potential 'unsafe' factor here (assuming that a competent DIY'er can make 3 electrical connections as mentioned above) is if the said DIY'er changed the original shower for one of a higher rating which was beyond the capacity of the existing circuit cable-in which case he/she would clearly not be competent...

Cardew

Keystone,

The fitting and replacement of electric showers is not notifiable unless a new circuit is needed.

Thanks for the above.

Judging by his troll-like posts on another section of MSE, I don't think 'Don' has the intellect to understand that quote or the humility to apologise for getting it so wrong.

don0301

keystone wrote: »

Part P applies to "special locations". A downstairs cloakroom which has water in it is not a special location and not subject to Part P.

actually part p applies to kitchens,bathrooms and special locations within a dwelling

special locations are defined as (amongst other things):

Locations containing a bath tub or shower basin

as this thread is about a shower, i fail to see what a downstairs cloakroom has to do with it.

i put my hand up i was wrong in that i thought part p covered rooms with water in, that was too loose a definition. and you are correct that a DIYer can replace a like for like shower.

but if you are putting in a more powerful shower, or have to put in a RCD (which most manufacturers insist on now) or have to upgrade the cable,fuse,MCB or RCD then its my understanding this has to be done under part p.

don0301

source:

http://www.electrical-testing.co.uk/p/articles/diy-electrical-works-is-it-worth-it-and-how-does-part-p-affect-me


As such, electrical work, with a few minor exceptions, carried out in the home is being regulated as part of the Building Regulations under Part P and is effective from the 1st of January 2005.
Failure to comply with Part P of the Building Regulations is a criminal offence and could result in the order by the local authority to remove or put right faulty workmanship and fine you up to £5000.00. It could also make it difficult to sell your property in the future.

keystone

macman wrote: »

The only potential 'unsafe' factor here (assuming that a competent DIY'er can make 3 electrical connections as mentioned above) is if the said DIY'er changed the original shower for one of a higher rating which was beyond the capacity of the existing circuit cable-in which case he/she would clearly not be competent...

Agreed and in that case it would not be "like for like" so is outwith what I am talking about.

Cheers

keystone

don0301 wrote: »

actually part p applies to kitchens,bathrooms and special locations within a dwelling

Oh goody - you've done some reading now. I'm perfectly well aware of the meaning of a special location and where it applies thanks.

as this thread is about a shower, i fail to see what a downstairs cloakroom has to do with it.

Well it has everything to do with it qv your previous assertation that all rooms with water in are covered by Part P.

i put my hand up i was wrong in that i thought part p covered rooms with water in, that was too loose a definition. and you are correct that a DIYer can replace a like for like shower.

Yes thank you for that.

but if you are putting in a more powerful shower, or have to put in a RCD (which most manufacturers insist on now) or have to upgrade the cable,fuse,MCB or RCD then its my understanding this has to be done under part p.

Actually the work has to be done to the 17th Edition of the Wiring Regulations. Part P is a paperchase as I have already said and is about notification to (or paperwork completed by) LABC that the work has been done correctly. Note that if you do the work yourself and ask LABC to do the Part P paperwork they will not issue the relevant Edn 17 paperwork - only the Part P paperwork. This thread isn't about putting in a more powerful shower its about a replacement of an existing. Muddying the pool and puling the rug out with diversions about higher power showers or replacement cabling won't get you out of the hole you've managed to dig for yourself - sorry.

Cheers

don0301

you may have mentioned like for like. but the OP nor Cardew did.