O2 and BETHERE broadband

TakeThis

bobweston wrote: »

I've just had an online chat with O2.

They say their "the Works" package does not use Traffic Management. Which indicates their basic and 'All Rounder' packages do.

Detail from O2:

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[FONT=&quot]This only happens in Peak Hours (4pm to midnight, weekdays - and noon to midnight on weekends).

It appears there is less Traffic Management on the All Rounder package than on their Basic package.

They employ TM on their LLU lines.

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Seems that person didn't know the facts, as all of their new LLU packages have some form of Traffic Shaping.

bobweston

TakeThis wrote: »

Seems that person didn't know the facts, as all of their new LLU packages have some form of Traffic Shaping.

You're right, I've gone back on LiveChat with O2 and they're now saying all of their BB packages have Traffic Management.

brewerdave

If all you use your connection for,is general surfing,email and a bit of downloading, I player watching, etc then O2 on the BE network IMHO is a good choice.My daughter has been with them for 3.5 years and even with price rises, she is paying £9.50 per month for a virtually unlimited connection at 5Mb/0.9Mb ,which due to the distance she is from the exchange, is the best she can get on ADSL2+......and I'm sure that she could probably get a cheaper deal if she could be bothered!! Traffic shaping doesn't seem to affect her internet experience

espresso

brewerdave wrote: »

If all you use your connection for,is general surfing,email and a bit of downloading, I player watching, etc then O2 on the BE network IMHO is a good choice.My daughter has been with them for 3.5 years and even with price rises, she is paying £9.50 per month for a virtually unlimited connection at 5Mb/0.9Mb ,which due to the distance she is from the exchange, is the best she can get on ADSL2+......and I'm sure that she could probably get a cheaper deal if she could be bothered!! Traffic shaping doesn't seem to affect her internet experience

If she has been with them for 3.5 years then that will be a old legacy package which is not subjected to traffic shaping. The old O2 packages were brilliant - unlike the new ones!

spud17

bobweston wrote: »

You're right, I've gone back on LiveChat with O2 and they're now saying all of their BB packages have Traffic Management.

Yes as I posted in the link in post #11

brewerdave

espresso wrote: »

If she has been with them for 3.5 years then that will be a old legacy package which is not subjected to traffic shaping. The old O2 packages were brilliant - unlike the new ones!

I'm aware that she's on an "old" package!O2 have tried to get her to switch to a new package with some financial inducement or other.:rotfl:
However,the point I was trying to make was that ,for "normal" internet use an O2 LLU connection is fine - cheap and reliable IF you have an existing O2 mobile. As far as I could see the OP wasn't looking for guarantees on peak time throttling in his post. If he wants to watch HD video streams at 7:30pm then maybe its not suitable.

bobweston

@bod1467

How would I get my router stats?

Do you know how I can find out the distance from my house to the exchange - wire length rather than "as the crow flies"?

Mark_In_Hampshire

bobweston wrote: »

@bod1467

How would I get my router stats?

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/frogstats.php

bobweston wrote: »

Do you know how I can find out the distance from my house to the exchange - wire length rather than "as the crow flies"?

You can't, unless you can physically see it all the way back to the exchange.

Stats are based on an assumption that the line is copper and a certain gauge (0.4mm or 0.5mm I think) so if it is indeed, once you have the stats, you can work backwards to calculate roughly how long the line is by putting the attenuation number in here

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/max_speed_calc.php

bod1467

Typically the wire length is anything from 1.5x to 3x the straight-line distance. (In my case 650m direct, 1920m wire length, so almost 3x). Bear in mind there can be quite a length of wire within the exchange itself, so it's not just the distance TO the exchange.

bobweston

Connection information
Line state Connected
Connection time 0 days, 0:14:35
Downstream 7,296 Kbps
Upstream 448 Kbps

ADSL settings
VPI/VCI 0/38
Type PPPoA
Modulation ITU-T G.992.1
Latency type Interleaved
Noise margin (Down/Up) 6.1 dB / 22.0 dB
Line attenuation (Down/Up) 21.0 dB / 14.0 dB
Output power (Down/Up) 19.7 dBm / 11.9 dBm

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Mark_In_Hampshire wrote: »

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/frogstats.php

Stats are based on an assumption that the line is copper and a certain gauge (0.4mm or 0.5mm I think) so if it is indeed, once you have the stats, you can work backwards to calculate roughly how long the line is by putting the attenuation number in here http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/max_speed_calc.php

Downstream Attenuation 21 dB
Approx Line Length 1.5 km

dslMAX 8128 kbps IP Profile 7150 kbps

adsl2+ (21CN) 19872 kbps IP Profile 17000 kbps

adsl2+ (LLU) 19872 kbps Throughput 17587 kbps