Nokia or Samsung cant decide

WillyVWade

MattLFC wrote: »

]Android is for geeks, Windows Phone is for the masses. It is similar to an iPhone, but on steroids. It makes the iPhone look outdated, and Android just plain clunky and unusable.

In what way is WP7 similar to iOS. Seriously, Android has more in common with iOS than WP7...

MattLFC

prowla wrote: »

"far far better"?

I would personally avoid the Windoze phone - it's Nokia's last ditch attempt to stay in business.

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Obviously you don't have a clue about the mobile industry, doy you?

Nokia are still the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world - they are just about the only company who have pretty much tied up all the developing nations such as India, Africa, and to a degree, China - the future economic powerhouses of this world.

Please, do some research prior to making completely pointless and stupid statements based on nothing but an idea held within your unitelligent head, Dougal.

Nokia were, until 2011, still the biggest manufacturer of smartphones in the world. Even now, whilst marketshare has dropped in that particular sector, they are still doing rather well...

Nokia realised, albeit a little later than many expected, that Symbian, Meego and Maemo were all too little, too late, and migrated to WP. They have not rushed the migration though, preferring to get it right first time, as one would expect from Nokia. Not like Apple, who released a flawwed device (iPhone 4s that can't even make a phonecall if you hold it in a certain way) and then refused to have the decency to even recall and replace the handsets, instead expecting their iSheep to be happy with a case to rememdy the issue.

Nokia will still be around this time next year, and this time in 10 years. They are not Palm, they are not Blackberry - they generate plenty of revenue from other sources and are not soley reliant or dependent upon their smartphone division. Just like Microsoft with its Windows Phone OS (which was 2 years later than planned thanks to a complete development switch from Photon [WinMo 7] to WP7), the company can afford to stagnate or even lose money in one sector, for a long time, before pulling the plug. Palm/HP found out the hard way, put all your eggs into one basket (WebOS smartphones), and it doesnt matter how strong the basket is, if the bottom falls out, you fall with it, RIM are getting closer by the day to finding out this very same, cruel reality. This is where Microsoft and Google (and Nokia and Motorola respectively), have a huge advantage over the rest of the competion (including to a degree Apple, with their revenue soley dependent on keeping people attached to the "i" ecosystem).

MattLFC

WillyVWade wrote: »

In what way is WP7 similar to iOS. Seriously, Android has more in common with iOS than WP7...

Ease of use, complexity, level of control. Unless you jailbreak an iPhone, which the OP clearly has no intent to do, you run in a pretty locked down, protected enviroment. The same with Windows Phone. Android on the other hand, is an open playground to all, unfortunately this can be bother confusing and dangerous to the average user. Which leads to another similarity, GUI simplicity.

The thing that wowed the marketplace, and joe public, when the iPhone was released was not the technology, not even the apps - that had all be around for many many years in the form of Windows Mobile, PalmOS, Symbian etc - but the simplicity of it all, the complete intergration of it all, the need not to be a geek to make thorough use of it, the speed and reliability, the smoothness, the intuitiveness, all traits in which WP and iOS are similar, but where Android differs. The reason the likes of WinMo and Palm etc never become mass-market (Symbian did manage it to a degree, thanks mainly to Nokia and co mass-marketing the devices), was because they were clunky, confusing and generally just a chore to use, for the average consumer - just like android is today.

Whilst ICS is a big improvement over Gingerbread and its predocessors, it still has a long way to go to match the usability and intuitiveness of iOS and Windows Phone (and even WebOS RIP), and I don't think Google even want to achieve that - they see it as something that sets them apart.

Windows Phone has taken the iOS concept of being simple, modern and intuitive to a whole new level, and thus raised the benchmark, making the once-revolutionary iOS GUI, also look outdated and stale. Of course they don't look the same - this is where WP is leaving iOS behind - but the guiding principles behind both systems are the same.

MattLFC

grumbler wrote: »

Don't know about ebay apps, but normally it's not that simple and apps are not just shortcuts. Most websites are designed for PCs and are too compex for mobiles. Apps either direct you to a simplified version of the website (like you said) or just use some essential information from the website, but use a special layout to display it on the mobile screen.

Apps are applications - software - and can be anything the developer wants them to be (so long as the core-OS supports the technology).

An app is usually a piece of local software that actually runs off your phone - in the case of ebay, it will use the internet to pool some data and populate your app, but it is nothing to do with a website. If an app simply re-directs you to a mobile version of a website in your browser - well yes it is technically an app - but in reality it is nothing more than a bookmark. An app can sometimes be better than using a browser - however it depends upon the app and how the website runs on a mobile browser. On WinMo, I can view websites just as I would on a PC, such as Facebook in internet explorer - and even on the mobile site using Opera Mini (m.facebook.com or touch.facebook.com dependent which you prefer), there is some options available, which are not available in the app, and vice-versa. But the app is native to Windows Mobile, so is more designed and configured to run on it perfectly, than a website designed to be cross-platform ever could be.

With regards the comments about Flash - Adobe themselves have discontinued mobile-Flash player development (Android included), Microsoft and Apple have both, rightly or wrongly, made it clear that HTML 5 is the future (which will be able to do everything Flash can, plus more besides), and the forthcoming Windows 8 will not even support plug-ins such as Flash player etc. The death of Flash is imminent (though I personally support the use of Flash), the transition to HTML 5 is taking place as we speak, it may take a while, but sooner or later Flash will be obsolete. iOS and WP do not support Flash (officially). Windows Mobile, Symbian and Android do support flash - two of which, are from yesteryear.