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donnajunkie

MissSarah1972 wrote: »

If they want people to know they have to give you the letter which you sign for normally at the job centre like when they issue you with a different date to sign you have to sign to say you have been given the date.

I signed last Friday and saw no letters anywhere.

the job centre wont be calling people will they? who would have the time to do that?

Also how you will know they have called? You have to have an answering machine for that.

You can still miss a call 'unknonw' on a mobile too.

yes the jobcentre will normally always give you the letter and ask you to sign that you recieved it. in this case they didnt. i said shouldnt i get one of those letters. the response was you can have one if you want one.
no what i said about being phoned was to do with the work programme adviser. they can phone you up at anytime about a job.
you are right about the issues that can arise when someone calls. that is why its unfair what was said today by t he wp adviser. basically she may phone once get no reply. she will then try again later and get no reply. that could result in a sanction as she will say you are uncontactable. if she leaves a message and you dont get back to her within 24 hours that will also result in a sanction. i just thought you can try. anyone clued up should be able to beat it.

MissSarah1972

donnajunkie wrote: »

yes the jobcentre will normally always give you the letter and ask you to sign that you recieved it. in this case they didnt. i said shouldnt i get one of those letters. the response was you can have one if you want one.
no what i said about being phoned was to do with the work programme adviser. they can phone you up at anytime about a job.
you are right about the issues that can arise when someone calls. that is why its unfair what was said today by t he wp adviser. basically she may phone once get no reply. she will then try again later and get no reply. that could result in a sanction as she will say you are uncontactable. if she leaves a message and you dont get back to her within 24 hours that will also result in a sanction. i just thought you can try. anyone clued up should be able to beat it.

and if you do not have voice mail they can not prove they called and left a mssg.

what a load of crap. You may not be even able to go to the shops or have a bath at this rate in case they call you.

ason

Simple dont give them your phone number in the first place.and if u have change it.They keep asking for mine and i keep saying no then if they want they can wright to me which is with in the rules setup by dwp

kizzie_nikita

All i ever say is that i don't have a phone, if they want me they can email me or send me a letter in the post. It's not hard.

donnajunkie

MissSarah1972 wrote: »

and if you do not have voice mail they can not prove they called and left a mssg.

what a load of crap. You may not be even able to go to the shops or have a bath at this rate in case they call you.

i dont think that they would rely on a left message as proof because the recipient can easily delete it.

donnajunkie

ason wrote: »

Simple dont give them your phone number in the first place.and if u have change it.They keep asking for mine and i keep saying no then if they want they can wright to me which is with in the rules setup by dwp

not long ago mine threatened someone with a sanction if they didnt provide a phone number.

Richie-from-the-Boro

The UC sanctions I posted about some time ago due to come into force in 2013 have been brought forward and 'go live' from next Tuesday the 23rd October.

Under the new regime:

Higher level sanctions (for example for leaving a job voluntarily) will lead to claimants losing all of their JSA for a fixed period of 13 weeks for a first failure, 26 weeks for a second failure and 156 weeks for a third and subsequent failure (within a 52 week period of their last failure).

Intermediate level sanctions of four weeks for a first failure, rising to 13 weeks for a second or subsequent failures (within a 52 week period of their last failure) may be applied following a period of disallowance for not actively seeking employment or not being available for work.

Lower level sanctions (for example for failing to attend an adviser interview) will lead to claimants losing all of their JSA for a fixed period of four weeks for the first failure, followed by 13 weeks for subsequent failures (within a 52 week period of their last failure)

If the claimants JSA is stopped because they have failed to meet their responsibilities, they must still attend the Jobcentre for their fortnightly jobsearch review, and attend any appointments to avoid losing benefit for a longer period. They will be entitled to a full explanation of why their benefit was stopped. They are not automatically entitled to financial help but if they can show that they are suffering hardship, the adviser or hardship officer can explain how they can apply for a hardship payment.

You each should receive a new revised ES40 leaflet explaining that a change in the law means that although the conditions for receiving benefit are not changing, benefit may be stopped for up to three years if these conditions are not met.

donnajunkie

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

If the claimants JSA is stopped because they have failed to meet their responsibilities, they must still attend the Jobcentre for their fortnightly jobsearch review, and attend any appointments to avoid losing benefit for a longer period.

i laughed at this and thought not if they sign off they dont. i am sure anyone who has reached the 30 years worth of ni contributions will just sign off. under the new rules how long do sanctions follow you around for? well obviously if you got a 3 year sanction and signed off for a week when you sign back on the sanction would restart from where it left off. i remember a jobcentre worker telling me a break of 6 months before reclaiming would mean you start with a clean slate, but that was a while ago. also i am obviously not including people who successfully manage to get hardship payments in this as they will obviously keep signing on.

kazzah60

donnajunkie wrote: »

i laughed at this and thought not if they sign off they dont. i am sure anyone who has reached the 30 years worth of ni contributions will just sign off. under the new rules how long do sanctions follow you around for? well obviously if you got a 3 year sanction and signed off for a week when you sign back on the sanction would restart from where it left off. i remember a jobcentre worker telling me a break of 6 months before reclaiming would mean you start with a clean slate, but that was a while ago. also i am obviously not including people who successfully manage to get hardship payments in this as they will obviously keep signing on.

yep- thats what my hubby did- having established that he had 39 years of contributions he signed off and took great delight in telling the WP provider he was doing so!

ason

What do u hope to get from these ni contributions.