Osborne loses his nerve in the face of Union solidarity

dunstonh

what happens when these public sector jobs ie teachers/nurses/police become unatrractive because theres no extra incentive to do them,we`ll just ship them in from abroad and have to pay double just to fill the posts ,that`ll work :P

There are no proposals that make these jobs unattractive from an earnings or pension point of view.

What did the country do in the past when the jobs were low paid?


A lot of private sector jobs have had a reduction in benefits, salaries, working standards etc over the years. Indeed, the private sector is over a decade ahead in that respect. It has taken the medicine. Now it is the public sector turn.

wotsthat

tartanterra wrote: »

The AFPS was changed in 2005.

AFPS05 offers an immediate pension only for those who leave having reached age 55 or beyond; anybody leaving the Services before they reach age 55 (even if it is only one day prior) are, providing they have completed at least two years' qualifying service, awarded a preserved pension payable at age 65.

I believe it is about to be reviewed again.

I didn't realise there'd been a change.

Does that apply to everyone or just those starting after 2005?

tartanterra

discoass wrote: »

what about pre2005 thats still alot of personelle
if they can change teachers/nurses then why not military

plus its non contributary so still a good deal

You're not very good at this research thing are you?

When military pay is calculated, a reduction is applied to take account of the benefits of AFPS.

tartanterra

wotsthat wrote: »

I didn't realise there'd been a change.

Does that apply to everyone or just those starting after 2005?

It applies to everyone after 2005.

At the changeover, all serving personnel were given the option to change over to the new scheme. (not many did).

Anyone re-joining after the scheme inception who had previously been under AFPS 75 had to re-join under AFPS 05.

discoass

julieq wrote: »

With youth unemployment at record levels? Do you honestly think no-one would want these jobs or be able to train for them?

Incredible. If you ever get out into the real world you're in for some harsh surprises.

oh i see,from that statement you think i work in the public sector.
which real world would this be then ? the one I`m in ..I have a decent pension pay 11% ,final salary . but i dont begrudge my daughters teacher her midwife (when she was born) or any other public sector worker that she may or not come across because I dont get what they get :P

discoass

tartanterra wrote: »

You're not very good at this research thing are you?

When military pay is calculated, a reduction is applied to take account of the benefits of AFPS.

but not from your headline pay.

tartanterra

discoass wrote: »

oh i see,from that statement you think i work in the public sector.

I don't know why she thought that. I'd assumed you were still at school.

discoass

dunstonh wrote: »

There are no proposals that make these jobs unattractive from an earnings or pension point of view.

What did the country do in the past when the jobs were low paid?


A lot of private sector jobs have had a reduction in benefits, salaries, working standards etc over the years. Indeed, the private sector is over a decade ahead in that respect. It has taken the medicine. Now it is the public sector turn.

arrrr .....the race to the bottom

tartanterra

discoass wrote: »

but not from your headline pay.

Well done. Have a gold star, and choose a new crayon from the stationary cupboard.

discoass

tartanterra wrote: »

I don't know why she thought that. I'd assumed you were still at school.

whys that cause i think u dont deserve your pension?